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Lightning Rounds with Author Stephen Lane & Hockey Turf Expert Paul Kamphuis

Release Date: November 23, 2023

Category: Lightning Round

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Lightning rounds are a set of five questions that we ask every guest. They’re not necessarily lightning fast, as you’ll see with one of our guests, and often inspire additional questions. They’re one of our favorite features because there are so many different answers there are for the same questions. It shows just how diverse and interesting our TKFLASTANIs are!

Today’s episode features author Stephen Lane and hockey turf expert Paul Kamphuis. Stephen wrote the the book Long Run to Glory: The Story of the Greatest Marathon in Olympic History and the Women Who Made It Happenwhich we discussed on Episode 303. Paul is the General Manager, Polytan Asia Pacific. Polytan has done the turf for 8 Olympics, including Paris 2024. We talked turf with him on Episode 296.

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Lightning Rounds with Author Stephen Lane & Hockey Turf Expert Paul Kamphuis (Episode 314)

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Jill: Hello and welcome to another episode of Keep the Flame Alive, the podcast for fans of the Olympics and Paralympics. If you love the games, we are the show for you. Each week, we share stories from athletes and people behind the scenes to help you have more fun watching the games. I am your host, Jill Jaracz, joined as always by my lovely co host, Alison Brown.

Allison, hello, how are you?

[00:00:49] Alison: Gobble, gobble.

Did I ever tell you how I’m related to somebody from the Mayflower?

[00:00:57] Jill: I I knew that you had some kind of connection in the past. I do.

[00:01:01] Alison: I, I am an a descendant of John Howand. He is the one. who fell off the boat and almost drowned. And now we understand why I was so concerned when we went rowing. Because it’s historically part of the lineage.

[00:01:22] Jill: At least he made it, and you made it through rowing, so that was good.

[00:01:26] Alison: The spirit of my ancestors got me back on that boat. That’s

[00:01:30] Jill: right. That’s right. Well, yes, it is Thanksgiving in the United States this week, which means we’ve got a lightning round episode for you. So you can have a little taste of the games while you’re Cooking or cleaning up after your dinner, or maybe driving home.

[00:01:47] Alison: Gobble, gobble, turkey. What is it, tryptophan? Yeah, I think

[00:01:51] Jill: so, yeah, yeah. Sleepy?

[00:01:53] Alison: Food coma.

[00:01:55] Jill: That’s right. , lightning rounds happen because whenever we interview someone, we ask them similar [00:02:00] questions to other guests. And it’s always fun for us to hear the different answers. First up is author Stephen Lane.

We spoke with Stephen earlier this year about his book, Long Run to Glory, which is about the history of the women’s marathon and its Olympic debut. Take a listen to his lightning round. Lightning round.

Stephen Lane Lightning Round

[00:02:19] Alison: What is your first memory of the Olympics from when you were a kid?

See, and we’re, we’re the same age, Steven. Yeah. Okay. So this is making, this is gonna make me feel better than when we interview like the 16 year olds. So my

[00:02:31] Stephen Lane: first indelible memories I mentioned is, is Joni Benoit , on the freeway,, all alone, , in Los Angeles.

But, but if I go back further in time to 1976, I was five. And what I remember is like my two older brothers like running into the living room, the Olympics are on, the Olympics are on. And you know, I’m five years old. I’m just like coddling along behind ’em, like, oh, the Olympics are on. And I had no idea if they were, but I, it’s like, I was like, oh, the Olympics, this must be great.

And, I don’t know why I remember that. I, I think I vaguely remember, I think that what was on was

[00:03:07] Stephen Lane: Olympic basketball, but I don’t know, but I just remember like the excitement around the Olympics are on being, being a really big thing.

[00:03:13] Alison: How much microfiche and microfilm did you have to go through for the book?

[00:03:20] Stephen Lane: fortunately, not as much as probably in the past. For a couple reasons. You know, one, a lot of it is online now, which is maybe marginally better for your eyeballs. Uh, a little bit. I, I, I had some real amazing help. The, uh, Steve Viton, who is the sort of director of the u s a Track and field New England office, , has, uh, and he’s also a bit of a pack rat.

Don’t tell him I said that, but he, uh, he has in his office, like one room of the office is all old running magazines, , so he is like, yeah, come on down, go look through. So, so I spent hours going back forever, like, , so I got to actually see [00:04:00] hard copies of the running magazines, which was great.

, and then I had, I had real great help from the World Athletics Archives and the I O C archives. And then a couple of professors who have written more, uh, academic works on, , various aspects of the Olympic movement. Also, were sharing their, they were willing to share their stuff with me. So I actually, I got to do more PDFs and more hard copies than microfiche.

Thank God. Well, what I,

[00:04:27] Alison: oh, I was, I remember about , the spinning the machine and you could never find the right page. It’s

[00:04:32] Stephen Lane: awful. Yeah. Well, it just, that, that struck me during when you were writing about the trials and Olympia and the level of detail in that whole section, Uhhuh and what the city went through in the organizers.

Oh, I, I just love, um, and his name is escaping me now. , the organizer of the New York City Marathon and the organizer of the, , trials were just like, we’re making this happen. Yeah. And they

[00:04:58] Alison: just, they pulled out all the stops in Olympia to make that trials happen. It was amazing.

[00:05:05] Stephen Lane: It is. I I’m glad you like that.

And, and yeah, the Olympia Newspaper, , was a wonderful resource. , and I just like, I wanted to, you know, two things. I think first of all, that is still regarded as the best women’s Olympic trials ever, just in terms of community support and involvement and, and sort of as a template for what could happen.

, And so I wanted to bring that out. And then I also wanted to highlight kind of the difference in, , the grassroots community support for that versus like the, Olympics and the opening ceremonies for the Olympics and how like just, , both are amazing in their own way, but the.

The level of spectacle, that went into the 84 Olympics, uh, is, it was groundbreaking for sure and great in its own right, but I just love , the community effort that made the Olympia Olympic trials such, such a tremendous event. , And so Laurel Jane, who organized the Olympic [00:06:00] trials, , the bid for Olympic trials for Olympia, , she is amazing.

, you should get her on your show some because. Who knows if you could actually figure this out. , but she probably had the first women’s owned, , running specialty store in the, in the country, and it expanded. And, and she’s just, , like, just an absolute character of a, of a woman. And, and yeah, like Fred Libo, they had this kind of, well, we’re gonna improvise our way through this.

We’re gonna make it happen somehow. Like , that belief in yourself is pretty cool. I like, I don’t exactly have that. I don’t say, yeah, well, you know, million dollar budget, no problem. I don’t know where it’s coming from. No problem. We’ll make it happen. Uh, it’s really cool. , and so I, I love the, I, I, yeah, that’s a race.

I wish I could have been at the, uh, the Olympia trials, but,

[00:06:46] Alison: okay. So as a track coach, what was your favorite training exercise with the

[00:06:50] Stephen Lane: kids? Ooh, man. that’s good. You know what I liked, and, and this is weird, I liked having, , the team in the weight room, , especially the distance runners. , partly because, all distance runners are kind of, they’re awkward in high school.

They’re all skinny and, and you know, the weight room is where the football guys go and all this stuff. And so getting both the boys and girls in there and, helping them get stronger, not only because , the science is pretty clear, right? , it makes you faster. But I think for high school kids, it, it’s such a confidence booster, right.

To, it’s weird, , but I don’t know if you remember high school, but, you know, having a mastery of this room that you wouldn’t have otherwise, , I think is really cool. And, and watching, like, you know, we spent a lot of time teaching. People how to do the lifts, but then also then being able to say to like juniors and seniors, okay, you are gonna teach the freshmen how to do these lifts.

, and I think , watching kids have , that mastery, I think is really, really fun. and then also having, , just having this room and you’re all in there and, suddenly it’s half an hour after practice and people are still sitting around, stretching and just kind of talking, [00:08:00] I think is, I don’t know, it just always had a really nice feel to me.

So, so that’s not exactly an exercise, but a place and a set of, stuff that we did that, that I think, you know, again, is really good for them as runners, but also just. Good in terms of development , and feeling strong and confident in who you are. I always walked outta the weight room feeling pretty good about, about what we were doing.

So I miss

[00:08:22] Alison: that. If you could be an Olympian in any sport, not track, not marathon, what would it

[00:08:30] Stephen Lane: be? Ooh, wow.

[00:08:33] Alison: No talent required.

[00:08:35] Stephen Lane: Okay. Fina Well, yeah, that’s, there’s that. , alright, so financial considerations aside. Right. You know, assuming like I, in, in Atlanta, I went to the Atlanta games with a friend of mine, , and I was kind of on a lark.

I, we went to watch the archery competition and, it was so cool. and partly like I have, I have like zero fine motor skill ability. Like there’s a reason I’m a runner, right. I But just, just watching, , how controlled they are and, and just, so sort of at one with their weapon, I guess.

I don’t, not exactly weapon, and just like, you know, foo whack, foo whack, foo whack, like, bullseye after bullseye. It was fascinating because it’s something I’ll never, ever be able to do. and so maybe something like that would be what I would choose,

[00:09:29] Alison: Okay. And last, do you have a favorite Olympic souvenir?

[00:09:35] Stephen Lane: A favorite Olympic souvenir? how about an Olympic trial souvenir? Is that okay? Perfect. Alright. Really stupid. but, the first vacation my wife and I went on before we were married, like we’d only been dating like a little bit, but we’re both like running nerds and, and I think we’ve been dating for like, gosh a month.

When I asked her, I said, well, would you wanna go to the Olympic trials with me? And like, we [00:10:00] live in Boston, like the trials are in, in, , Eugene, Oregon. So, you know, this was kind of a big deal. , and we, it’s really stupid, but I think Tyson Chicken was one of the sponsors and, and they made these little Tyson chicken like chickens doing different Olympic like track events.

So there’s like a chicken hurdling and a chicken throwing the jab. They’re really stupid. But I came back with about a dozen of these pins and, and partly because obviously there’s some great sentimentality to, to that. Trip, with my now wife. And partly it’s just like chicken’s doing Olympic events.

What, what else could you ask for? So what could go wrong? I know, I know.

[00:10:39] Alison: excellent.

[00:10:40] Stephen Lane: Well, Steven, thank you so much.

[00:10:41] Jill: Thank you so much, Stephen. You can find his book on our bookshop. org site. That’s a bookshop. org slash shop slash flame alive pod. We do get a commission on any purchases made through that link. , whether it’s on one of our book lists or not, , those commissions are vital for keeping our flame alive.

So if you’re in the market for books, please do check that out. , and his book is really good.

[00:11:06] Alison: His book is really good, and that’s also perfect for Small Business Saturday because this supports small bookstores.

[00:11:13] Jill: Exactly. So you can do two for one, just shopping through that link. You know who else you can support on Small Business

[00:11:21] Alison: Saturday?

Or Cyber Monday, Black Friday, Giving Tuesday, any of those things is our Kickstarter program. So we’ve got a Kickstarter campaign running through December 9th. We need some help with it. These are the funds that are going to pay for the 34 daily episodes from Paris. So normally we do four shows a month and all the expenses for that is spread out over the year.

Patreon has been incredibly helpful with those funds, but now we’re sort of cramming an entire year’s worth of episode costs. In these eight weeks of next [00:12:00] summer. So we need a little financial support for that.

[00:12:03] Jill: Exactly. Exactly. So we do have Kickstarter, , links on our homepage. That’s flamealivepod. com.

Please do support the show. I can’t really express how much we could use the support because We’re in danger of our flame going out and it would be sad to have to end the show, but Sports production is really expensive and we do need your help in getting there

[00:12:27] Alison: The cool thing about the Kickstarter is one.

We have some really fun incentives. We have the pins for Paris We’ve got the viewing guide. We have one mascot left. your dog or cat could, or ferret or whatever you would choose could be our mascot, but it also gives us a chance to know what you want to hear. So if there’s directions you want us to go with those Paris shows, telling us and commenting on the Kickstarter and donating to that is a great way to be a part of the production.

[00:12:57] Jill: It’s going through December 9th. All right, when we ask guests to do a lightning round, they get nervous about it. I am surprised how many people get nervous about this. I think

[00:13:06] Alison: they’re always afraid we’re going to ask them trivia questions or like what, you know, this or that.

That are awful, but our questions are very gentle. We’re very gentle. Maybe we should change the name from lightning to just like gentle questions we want to know.

[00:13:24] Jill: Well, and we, we say lightning cause it’s supposed to be somewhat fast, but it’s never fast. Never fast. And we have to say that too, , when our guests are, preparing for this segment, but, our final, lightning round today is indicative of that not so lightning Ness aspect of the lightning round.

Paul Kamphuis Lightning Round

[00:13:43] Jill: We’re talking with Paul Kampis, Paul’s the general manager of Polytan Asia Pacific and Polytan has done the hockey turf for eight Olympics, including Paris 2024. Take a listen.

Lightning round. What is your first memory of the Olympics from when you [00:14:00] were a kid?

[00:14:01] Paul Kamphuis: Yeah, my first memory is that Moscow, 1980 Olympic Games.

[00:14:05] Jill: Oh my gosh. We keep talking about this, Moscow is a big black hole for us in our Olympics knowledge. We know boycott news of the wazoo, but we don’t know about Moscow 1980.

What do you remember from that?

[00:14:19] Paul Kamphuis: I was a four year old and I can remember coming home from kindergarten and watching highlights on the TV of the Olympics , and seeing that, and I didn’t comprehend how big it was at the time cuz I was too young to, to really understand it. But I just remember sitting there and watching all these athletes running around in stadiums and swimming and all those kind of things.

I didn’t see any hockey cuz Australia participated in the 1980 Olympic games, but the hockey teams actually boycotted on their own basis. But I, yeah, that’s my first memory is, is seeing those Moscow Olympics. And then the next one I can remember, we had a, by the time LA came around, I can remember I was at primary school by that stage and we did a lot of stuff around the LA Olympics , and watching that on TV and writing letters to athletes and things like that.

And I can remember we had an Olympic mascot that was a koala in a green and gold tracksuit for the Australian team. And I just remember drawing pictures of the mascot at primary school, as with my classmates and sticking those up all over the room with Go Australia messages and things like that.

Oh my gosh.

[00:15:21] Jill: What, well, this isn’t even on the same question. What was it like for Sydney?

[00:15:26] Paul Kamphuis: It was unbelievable. So I went to the Sydney Olympics and the atmosphere was so amazing. I was, I was in my early twenties and it was, it was just the perfect opportunity as a country to present ourselves to the rest of the world.

There were so many tourists that came here, and it was described at the time as the greatest games ever. And it was, it’s the kind of thing that , as the host country is a tremendous sense of pride in that we could do that and that everybody enjoyed themselves so much. , on top of that, the athletic performances were incredible[00:16:00] , from everyone, but like some of the Australian athletes that were there, which just, yeah, the, the kind of memories that will stick You, stick with me forever.

[00:16:07] Jill: what’s Brisbane gonna be

[00:16:08] Paul Kamphuis: like? Brisbane is going to be amazing. Yeah. And I am really excited about it. I mean, back in 2000, I wasn’t connected with Olympics apart from just being a fan. Now I’m connected to Olympics from helping to build venues , and really closely, I suppose aligned with the hockey side of it from that point of view.

But I will hopefully be involved in Brisbane in some way from a work capacity as well. And that will enable me to be the super fan, the someone who watches the games and enjoys them for what they are and the chance to showcase our country to the rest of the world, but also be involved within one of the sports hopefully, and try to make sure that that’s the best possible presentation of that sport for everyone worldwide.

[00:16:53] Jill: So again, not so lightning round, but when do you start working with Brisbane? Or do you, wait, I know you guys had the contact through like 9, 20, 28, correct? Yep. Or do you, are you or do you have it through 32 as

[00:17:09] Paul Kamphuis: well? No, no, to 28, so. Okay. I’m currently working on three Olympic games. So obviously I’m heavily involved with this stuff around Paris because that’s, that’s here and present now.

, some conversations going on in and around la , particularly because now we’ve obviously got , this transition to dry hockey and so some things around that and already, and I guess it’s probably more so because Brisbane’s a home games, some conversations around the planning and things for that and the events and, and how the hockey could be structured and things already.

So, yeah, my Brisbane 2032 journey from a work capacity’s already started,

[00:17:45] Jill: which is amazing cuz there’re nine years to go and I, I realize there’s a lot of work involved, but it’s just kind of amazing at how long these projects can be.

[00:17:53] Paul Kamphuis: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we’re just over one year out , from Paris, nine years to Brisbane.

But if you don’t start planning [00:18:00] things now, then you can’t present yourself in the best possible light and every games wants to be. The best presentation of, I suppose it’s country that it can be, and leaving it till the last minute’s, not how you achieve that.

[00:18:13] Jill: What has been the favorite Olympics that you’ve worked

[00:18:16] Paul Kamphuis: the most?

I think the favorite is possibly London because of the wow factor that the change in the surface to blue. The fact that it gave hockey the opportunity to be really bold and say, wear this fantastic sport and look at us on our blue pitch with the pink surrounds. we want you to look at us instead of, we’re just a sport that’s in the Olympic program and the people that love hockey will se will watch it, but others won’t.

So from that point of view, that was really satisfying to see that, and that was hockey’s chance to just. Really set a great tone. And I think from memory it was the third most well attended sport at the London Olympics.

[00:19:02] Jill: if you could be an Olympian in any sport besides hockey, what would it be?

[00:19:08] Paul Kamphuis: Any sport that would get me there. Oh,

[00:19:11] Jill: well choose. You don’t have to be good in it. Choose choose one. I

[00:19:14] Paul Kamphuis: don’t have to be good at it.

I’ve always loved cycling and one of my early memories of the Olympics, I can remember watching the Australian team Pursuit team in the 1984 Olympic Games, , four man team pursuit. And I was just fascinated with the speed they could ride at how close they were together and how one would peel off and then go in behind the others.

And it was just that, that perfect, perfect sort of unification of the team and knowing. And trusting each other that you’re gonna be in exactly the right position and work together to those kind of goals. I think I’d like to be a team, a team pursuit cyclist.

[00:19:53] Jill: when you’re working in Olympics, do you get a chance to go and see other events or are you Oh,

[00:19:59] Paul Kamphuis: okay. [00:20:00] Okay. Yeah, if you can, yeah. You try to. Mm-hmm. it can be difficult cuz it’s, if you’re on site during the games, you’re there well before the first matches and you’re there well after the last match.

And if you do that every single day, it’s pretty taxing. , so that’s why you need to have a couple of people there and you need to get a break. And if you can get that break, then try and take that opportunity to go and see some other sports. And I was lucky to do that in the Rio Olympics. , and got around to see a, a range of other sports, , which was good.

That’s the only Olympics really, where I’ve had that opportunity.

[00:20:33] Jill: what did you end up seeing? What was

[00:20:35] Paul Kamphuis: the best thing you saw? I saw the whitewater rafting finals, cuz that was, oh, I walked there from the hockey venue. It was just up the hill. Wow. , that was really cool. , I also went to the swimming one night and, , I saw the men’s hundred meter final, which was won by an Australian.

, but the most exciting thing I remember from that night was there was a brilliant Brazilian swimmer in a, in a relay event. I can’t remember his name, but when he was in the breaststroke leg, the whole crowd, every time he came up out of the water, they would cheer. And so it was like we, and then it would be, and he would go underwater and they’d be like, we, and they, and the poor guy who was swimming, they kept getting faster and faster and he’s going to the rhythm of the crowd, he’d burnt out.

Like he, he couldn’t sustain it. He, he took off like a train. But it was just a, a really cool moment where, you could see as a spectator in seeing the home fans supporting , their home athletes , was really good. It reminded me what it was like when I was in Sydney.

[00:21:32] Jill: Okay. Rio, we’ve heard from other people how the organization was, how was it for you and hockey working

[00:21:42] Paul Kamphuis: with Rio? it was one of the most challenging projects I’ve ever done. And I suppose there’s a lot of sports that say that as well, but field hockey’s not a particularly common sport In Brazil, it’s really popular next door in Argentina, , but in Brazil. So there was no local knowledge of the sport.

And [00:22:00] in connection with that, there was no real local knowledge of what was gonna be required to construct it. So the first time I went to the competition hockey venue was like a jungle. There was people, I kid you not, I was walking through there and there was people that were going for their lunch break and they’re walking out and they’ve got chainsaws slung over their arm.

And they were clearing, clearing vegetation. There was a river that ran beside it. There was a crocodile trap in there because they, they’re having, having problems with crocodiles or alligators. I’m not even sure what it is that they have down there. But anyway, it’s a large reptile with very snappy teeth.

I was just like, whoa, what are we in for here? and yes, just some of the meetings and things about trying to explain to them what was required to, to build a hockey venue , was pretty challenging. It was a language barrier, clearly. , I learnt some Portuguese, al albeit pretty poorly. , but I had to because if I didn’t, I couldn’t communicate with people and it was their games.

It was my obligation. I took it upon myself. I was like, well, these people need to know how to build the pitches. It’s my job to be able to communicate to them not the other way around. And so I put in some effort, , like I said, it was bad, pretty bad Portuguese, but we got by.

and the end outcome was, was really good. , the hockey pitchers there were really well regarded in terms of how well they played and the quality of construction. it’s possibly one of those things that people might have went in with low expectations, and so were pleasantly surprised. , but I do feel like they did play really well and the, and the standard of the hockey there was good.

So that was, even though it was really challenging, when you look back on it and you reflect on it, you go, that’s actually pretty satisfying.

[00:23:35] Jill: Do you have any sense on if that helped build a little bit of the sport in

[00:23:42] Paul Kamphuis: Brazil at all? I certainly felt like it was at the time. I don’t know, ongoing, I dunno how much legacy there is, , and how much involvement there is with hockey within Brazil.

It’s not a country I get to see a lot of within international tournaments because, , I suppose the Olympic Games and the World [00:24:00] Cups and those kind of tournaments, you go through a qualification phase to get there. And like I said, like, I mean to, to qualify outta the Americas, you’re gonna have to get past Argentina, you’re gonna have to get past , the usa , Canada, these kind of teams.

So, , there’s other countries that are ahead of them in world rankings that will make those tournaments before them. , and it’s a long way away, so I’m not gonna see a lot of domestic hockey in Brazil. , so I’m not sure how they’re traveling. I’d like to think there’s some, some legacy that’s come out of it and there’s kids playing hockey now that otherwise wouldn’t have thought of it as a sport.

[00:24:31] Jill: and finally, sorry. This, honestly, I’m sorry. This has really been one of my very tangential lightning rounds, but I, I do love hearing your stories. what is your favorite Olympic souvenir?

[00:24:45] Paul Kamphuis: That’s it. I’ve never been asked that. , I think I was presented with a, an Olympic pin from the London Organizing Committee to say thank you. , and oh, I had never really understood the whole Olympic pin thing until they gave it to me, and I looked at it and went, that’s really cool. That looks really cool.

And it’s like a, it’s it’s very much a, a specialist one. It’s not like one of the, the standard souvenir type ones. It was a, a specific pin that was made for people that assisted in the delivering of the games. , It’s only a little thing and it sits in a dry home and it’s, it’s not like I pull it out and look at it, or I wear it proudly around, but my kids look at it and every now and then they say, what was this for?

I say, that’s because I help deliver the hockey at the Olympics in London. They’re like, oh, wow. Yeah, that is cool. And I think it’s that kind of thing that, I don’t know, maybe when I’m old and I’m retired and I’ll pull it out of a box and I’ll look at it and it’ll remind me of the Olympics in London and I’ll go, yeah, that’s, that was pretty special.

[00:25:41] Jill: Do your kids think it’s cool that you work at the Olympics or they’re like, well, it’s dad.

[00:25:46] Paul Kamphuis: Yeah. Yeah. It’s one of those, it’s one of those weird things, isn’t it? That yes, I think they do. and they’re talking about how they want to go to the Brisbane Olympics, and they’re, and they’re like, they’ve realized that they’ll be young adults by that stage and they said, dad, can we come and help [00:26:00] you at the Brisbane Olympics?

And I said, no. You can play at the Brisbane Olympics, like, change your mindset. Why would you have to help me? Like why wouldn’t, wouldn’t you rather go to the Olympic as an Olympian rather than just helping your dad? And you’re like, oh yeah, good point. How old are they? They’re 11, 13 and 15. Oh, you are

[00:26:18] Alison: in the thick of it,

[00:26:19] Paul Kamphuis: aren’t you?

Ball and a lot of sport in our house. Yeah.

[00:26:24] Jill: And And a lot of food to fill. Tummies.

[00:26:27] Paul Kamphuis: Oh, so much food.

[00:26:30] Jill: I was gonna say like, let’s just grocery shop every day and fill up the entire refrigerator. Oh my gosh. I cannot imagine.

[00:26:39] Paul Kamphuis: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:41] Jill: Oh, well, Paul, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. This is, this has been a lot of fun for us.

Hopefully it’s been fun for you as

[00:26:49] Paul Kamphuis: well. Yeah, it has. I really enjoyed it. It’s great.

[00:26:53] Jill: Thank you so much, Paul. We’ll have links to Polytan and the Polygrass Turf and, , uh, you can follow Paul on LinkedIn because he’s been going back and forth to places and there have been pictures. There have been pictures. Many clubs are putting in the new turf that he talked about. So it’s, it’s really exciting to see , the evolution of what’s going on with the technology in hockey turf.

All right, before we wrap up the show, we want to say thank you to you for your continued support of the show. We appreciate you listening and having conversations with us, , taking the time to review the show in your app, telling your friends about it and supporting us financially. We are so grateful for this community and we wouldn’t be here without you.

Gobble, gobble. we couldn’t act like that either without you.

[00:27:42] Alison: Hey, you know, for our Kickstarter, we could have a turkey as a mascot. If somebody wants to pay for a turkey.

[00:27:50] Jill: Right? You got some wild turkeys walking across your lawn? We do. I know, out in New England, that’s a big deal.

[00:27:56] Alison: And you can’t hit them with your car, you get in trouble. So make [00:28:00] them a mascot. There you go.

There you go.

[00:28:02] Jill: Check out that Kickstarter. Take that last spot. that will do it for this week. If you could be an Olympian or Paralympian in any sport, no talent required, what would it be?

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[00:28:44] Jill: Next week, we are talking Paris 2024 hospitality with Will Wiston from On Location. Will breaks down all the different types of packages that are available, and he spells out some of the opportunities that they’ve got in several budget categories. So there might be something for you. It’s not all fancy fancy.

If you’re going to Paris next year, you will want to hear this episode. Again, thank you so much for listening and until next time, keep the flame alive.