It’s Day 13 of the Milano Cortina 2026 Winter Olympics, and we’re introduced to ski mountaineering today. When we talked with Sarah Cookler of USA Skimo, we were looking forward to this, and now that we’ve seen it, we have to say that the sprint version isn’t long enough. We wanted to see more!
Alison went to women’s figure skating finals where American Alysa Liu took gold, and Jill went to men’s speed skating to see the 1500, followed by an extremely fast hoofing it to the women’s ice hockey gold medal match between the USA and Canada. The US emerged victorious in OT (there’s been a surprising number of OT games in these Games).
Luckily, good competition helped because Jill got broken during a trip to the post office.
Sports on today’s schedule:
- Curling
- Figure skating
- Freestyle skiing
- Ice hockey
- Nordic combined
- Ski mounteering
- Speed skating
Thanks so much for listening, and until next time, keep the flame alive!
TRANSCRIPT
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Milano Cortina 2026 Olympics-Day 13
Jill Jaracz: [00:00:00] Bonjourno and welcome to Keep the Flame Alive. Day 13 coverage of the Milano Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic Games. I am your host, Jill Jaracz, coming to you from Shuk Stan House. Joined as always by my lovely co-host, Alison Brown. Allison ciao com.
Alison Brown: It has been a day,
Jill Jaracz: it has been a big day
Alison Brown: in, in many different ways.
Jill Jaracz: A and it’s a Thursday. It’s weird ’cause that that pointed out to me. When I was at women’s hockey, the gold medal match, surprisingly on a Thursday.
Alison Brown: I [00:01:00] agree with that. And then the women’s final, uh, in figure skating also on a Thursday.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. But I guess scheduling doesn’t really matter when, when your other people,
Alison Brown: I, I guess, but we will get to the scheduling ’cause people had a lot of concerns about this.
Jill Jaracz: Alright, but what did we forget yesterday?
Alison Brown: So I forgot. So the day before yesterday. Which I don’t even know what day that was. We talked about me being a delicate flower. And we talked about me being a delicate flower because I lack coordination, and that can lead to some rather humorous injuries that have happened over the years.
But I wanted to tell you that when I went across that bridge, I had to hike to get to and from the bridge.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: And I did not hurt myself.
Jill Jaracz: Excellent.
Alison Brown: You would’ve been very proud of me with the, I mean, I had to walk on uneven territory on no handrails, rocks, snow. There was snow on the ground. Of course it helped that there was a dog there kind of guiding me [00:02:00] along.
Oh, I see,
Jill Jaracz: I see.
Alison Brown: When I got to the other side of the bridge, but the first side, I really had to hike it.
Jill Jaracz: Well good, good. I’m glad you’re in one piece.
Alison Brown: So am I.
Jill Jaracz: I don’t think I forgot anything about yesterday ’cause I’ve totally forgot what yesterday was. Anyhow, so maybe to maybe tomorrow, I’ll forget.
Remember what I forgot today about yesterday.
Alison Brown: That hurt my head.
Jill Jaracz: It hurts my head too. What officiating or volunteer job would you like to do?
Alison Brown: So today on my way to figure skating, I went very early to try and get a seat in the media zone, media zone. Media Tribune. The
Jill Jaracz: Tribune? Yes.
Alison Brown: Media
Jill Jaracz: zone. It’s mixed.
Mixed zone. Media Tribune.
Alison Brown: Well, I tried to get myself a seat where I was supposed to sit and ran into a volunteer who was collecting the, the children who were gonna be the sweepers at the train station.
Jill Jaracz: Oh my gosh, how cute is that?
Alison Brown: So she was. Standing there with her little flag, like they didn’t know who she was and they all had their little [00:03:00] suitcases, I’m sure with their outfits and their hair things.
And so I have a feeling not only does she take them, then there’s another volunteer that helps them get dressed and get their hair done and get all ready. So there’s a whole troop of volunteers. And then you talked about being the volunteer for them when they were actually on the job. Yes. So these sweepers have a whole volunteer crew that we need to be involved with.
Jill Jaracz: Um, I would like to do carpets and or flags because at hockey there’s no podium At hockey, there’s just carpets, which I don’t love, but they would have to have just a ton of podium for that, although, you know, track it down from someplace else. It’s already done with their podiums
Alison Brown: and they did it at basketball.
They did it in other sports that have team events.
Jill Jaracz: Right. So it’s really weird. I mean, but the, the hockey teams are huge. There’s like 25 people on a hockey team or something, and they’re
Alison Brown: big.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. So I got it. It’s weird, but you know, it does take a lot of carpet to [00:04:00] roll out. And, uh, the other problem with the flags was the silver metal flag.
Like, I don’t know if it fell apart, the wires in the, the bottom bar or they had to get it together. It took a little while. But I noticed it. I was like, what happened? What happened there? Do you need some help?
Alison Brown: Because I can help you with flags. I can be on flag duty. Were they steamed? Is the question?
Jill Jaracz: I don’t, I didn’t notice that.
Alison Brown: Yeah. I’m
Jill Jaracz: shy up
Alison Brown: my, I had some steed flags. I figure skating.
Jill Jaracz: I, I’m just glad they have the flags there. I’m not, I don’t really have any high expectations about steamed. Come on, come on. Wow. I did find another part of the hockey venue that is really unfinished. I walked there, there’s like boxes on the ground kind of unfinished.
It was pretty scary.
Alison Brown: Stay out of there. Stay out of there. Delicate flower.
Jill Jaracz: Uh, did you have anything cultural [00:05:00] today?
Alison Brown: I had nothing cultural today, except I did go to the grocery store.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. ’cause now we’re on daily grocery store runs
Alison Brown: because we’re, we don’t wanna, we don’t wanna waste food, so we’re not buying very much at any given time and we’re running out of the things that we thought would last us.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: Through, through the end. So I found myself this morning with. Literally two or three apples in the refrigerator, and that was all I had left
Jill Jaracz: me and I, I bought stuff. I bought like a, a bag of the, the comparable thing in America would be bugles. I thought I would try those and I thought it would be a good enough for two days.
Uhuh, I hoofed it so much today that I ate everything that I had, so now I have nothing and I have to go back to the store. But at the store, I’m in line at the checkout counter. Who comes up behind me, but my new photography buddy, Sergio.
Alison Brown: Oh, you’re kidding. He
Jill Jaracz: was also in the neighborhood.
Alison Brown: Oh, that’s funny.
Jill Jaracz: It was so much fun to run into somebody you knew at the grocery store.
Alison Brown: Really felt. [00:06:00] We’ve said the entire city of Milan knows each other.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah.
Alison Brown: And I mentioned this to, to one of the people on my tour who was from Milan, and she said, yes, that’s actually true. So you’ve, you’ve become truly meese. You just ran into a friend at the grocery store,
Jill Jaracz: which I loved that.
But then I went to the post office
Alison Brown: and you did not love that. You were very unhappy when you came home.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. And it, it wasn’t horrible, but I do have stuff that I need to mail back ’cause my suitcases are pretty small and I did not expect to find a Milano Cortina sweater. Let me be honest about that. And.
I got two ’cause I got one from Jeris and some pajamas that looked or, or lounge wear. ’cause they will probably be lounge wear for me. Yes. And that stuff probably won’t be fitting in the suitcase. So I had like three bags of stuff. To take to the post office because from what I understood, reading, SEO articles about mailing stuff in, [00:07:00] in Italy, they have boxes at the post office that you can get and purchase.
I assumed purchase that was fine, but they would have them there. The post office does a whole lot of other stuff, like you can pay bills there and do other. Things. So it took me a little while to realize, you know, to figure out how to get a number for the thing I was going to do. And I was mailing postcards to the donors who were at the postcard level.
So, thank you very much. Donors, uh, those are going out to you. Knock on wood.
Alison Brown: We hope we did everything correctly.
Jill Jaracz: So I get my number. I’m waiting. I get called up and. Tried to explain in my non Italian, here’s postcards that are going elsewhere. And the woman eventually gets me to realize that she wants me to sit back down.
She’ll be right with me. And she disappears for a while and like, okay, and she’s got my postcards now. And then [00:08:00] she comes back with them and like a big glue stick and I see, okay, I’m gluing stamps on. I’m cool with that. Then she goes and helps somebody else, the next in line who had a big parcel to mail, but they brought their own box.
And then I get called back and apparently there are no stamps because now she needs to weigh the different sized postcards and individually print postage for all of them. Oh no, it was a long time. It was so long and, and one of you, and she was. She was, uh, putting the sticker stamp on that she had printed out ’cause it prints out a sticker and it accidentally covered up.
It just accidentally stuck early. It covered up part of the thing and she had to try to rip it off so it was okay. It turned out fine. She did a great job, was was very nice to me. Had very nice glasses that I complimented [00:09:00] her on, but it was just one of those, like, now I have to haul three bags of stuff back to the apartment.
Alison Brown: ’cause they had no boxes.
Jill Jaracz: They had no boxes. And now I am on, how do I ship this stuff? So I will keep hunting for a post office, but it was one of those like, oh, geez, here we go Now, now that I’m maybe done spending hours on logistics every day, I’m going to be spending hours for the next few days on post office.
I’m sorry. It’s okay. It’s okay. Um, but that kind of broke me because now we’re just going to results. Usually we would say we’re independent, we need help keeping our flame alive, blah, blah, blah. I am broken. I, let’s just go. We have results.
Alison Brown: Okay.
Jill Jaracz: Curling. We had the men’s round robin today and the men’s semi-finals, uh, Sweden in the round.
Robin Checka, beat Sweden. Ten four Switzerland beat Italy. Nine five. Germany beat China. Six four. Norway, beat Canada. [00:10:00] Eight six. So the semifinals, oh, ’cause you go right into semifinals with this J. Great Britain beat Switzerland. Oh. So the Swiss who had been like winning and winning,
Alison Brown: you
Jill Jaracz: all lost Great Britain, beat them eight to five and Canada beat Norway five to four.
Alison Brown: So they reversed that same match that they had had earlier in the day to. Get Norway into the semifinals, I believe. Then Canada turned around and beat them.
Jill Jaracz: Wow. So now the gold medal match will be between Great Britain and Canada, and the bronze will be between Switzerland and Norway. Man, that’ll be controversial with that hole.
Stonegate thing. Double touch.
Alison Brown: Yeah. If Canada walks away with the gold medal, this’ll be probably the most controversial medal that we’ll have at these games.
Jill Jaracz: The women also had the rest of their round robin tournament, US beat Switzerland, seven six Canada beat [00:11:00] Korea, ten seven. Japan Beat Chi or Japan beat China nine six and Great Britain beat Italy seven four.
The semi-finals will be Canada versus Sweden and UA versus Switzerland,
Alison Brown: and so the USA just beat Switzerland today. To make it into those semifinals, and now we’re gonna have a repeat again of that pairing. Wow. So those matches are gonna be tomorrow
Jill Jaracz: figure skating. We have the women’s, the, the free program.
Last night of women’s figure skating, last night of figure skating competition. It’s basically you were there, did you get a tabled seat?
Alison Brown: I got a tabled seat. I got there early enough that I didn’t get the good tables. I got the crummy table, but it was still a table.
Jill Jaracz: Very good.
Alison Brown: So I was pleased with myself for that.
Jill Jaracz: How was it? Because I, I, I will tell you, you know what’s, there’s nothing slower. Then watching a free skate on the feed while [00:12:00] you are watching a hockey game that is blurring by in front of you.
Alison Brown: And I had the hockey game on at different points, at the free skate thing, and I was able to, same thing, right?
And I was able to watch, though, a good portion of the hockey game simply because the, the, the two early groups were so slow. It was just slow except for Amber Glenn who came out in group two and absolutely brought the house down. It ended up in fifth after finishing 13th. She was actually third in the, in the long program.
Tonight she
Jill Jaracz: season’s best score for her. She was so shocked.
Alison Brown: Season’s best score, knocked it out of the park, totally redeemed herself to herself, I think is really the most important thing that she can walk away from these Olympics saying, okay, I made a mistake and then came back and absolutely killed it in the long program.
Jill Jaracz: Good for her.
Alison Brown: When we get to the last group, Amber was still in the lead [00:13:00] and she gets to sit in the hot seat. Mm-hmm. I don’t, the leader chair is the poor thing. She brought her phone, smart girl.
Jill Jaracz: And a blanket.
Alison Brown: And a blanket. And she was in her sneakers and I was like, that’s a smart girl. She knows how to handle a leader chair.
But the uh, the final group was pretty magical. You had all three of the Japanese skaters just. Looking so incredibly beautiful, and then Alyssa Lou comes out. I’m so glad she went back to the MacArthur Park. Program and didn’t, uh, do the Lady Gaga program that she had done at Nationals, and it was just, that program is magic.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: I don’t know why I can’t. It’s just the right combination of choreography and music and gold dress. And even though it’s a new gold dress and skater just all came together for her and. Just really, really good and it, you know, you, you throw around magical a little [00:14:00] too easily, but it really was,
Jill Jaracz: and I imagine in person it was just phenomenal with the, the crowd.
You would, you could tell that the crowd is loud, but in the arena it’s so much more louder. There is so much more energy. That you just don’t feel, especially with the feed announcers. I’ll tell you listeners if you’re listening. Oh no. Because you’d get Johnny and, and Tara if you’re in the us, but if you listen to the feed, man, I’m about done with that guy.
Alison Brown: He’s not very good.
Jill Jaracz: Well, he, he, he’s okay, but he. Is from another era. Let’s just say that when he talks about women, you can tell he’s from a different era.
Alison Brown: Like the 1920s,
Jill Jaracz: not that bad. I would say seventies. Man. We’re gonna, we’re gonna get him back where, where they’re, they’re good and, oh, it’s just bad.
Alison Brown: A couple things I wanted to point out.
Um, ke Sakamoto got, uh, [00:15:00] was, was second and. She had this, I’m gonna try and explain this rule, but I don’t understand it completely myself. She did two triple flips. One of her triple flips was supposed to be in combination, and when you repeat a jump, that is called a repetition violation. So I think on that second flip, she got dinged in her score and did not get any of the bone.
She just got the base value. Uh, for that second triple flip.
Jill Jaracz: Keep talking. I’m looking it up.
Alison Brown: So that could have been enough of a difference, but she still beat Alyssa on technical score and the artistic score is what pushed Alyssa over the top.
Jill Jaracz: Oh, that’s interesting. And poor calorie was just devastated.
Alison Brown: She was so sad. She was crying [00:16:00] the minute she came off the ice, which made me cry, which made everybody else cry. And then we get through this thing with Carrie Sakamoto where she cries and then we cry, and then she laughs that she’s crying and then we all cry some more.
It very upsetting. But the first person to congratulate Kaori when she came off the ice was Alyssa Lu. Couldn’t, couldn’t get to her fast enough, couldn’t give her a longer hug. And when Kaori knocked, um, Amber Glenn off the, you know, off the leaderboard, so, so to speak, and put her down into to fourth place, there was a moment between Alyssa and Amber.
Where, you know, it went something like, you were amazing tonight. No, you were amazing tonight. Aw, no, no, no, no. You were great. No, no, no. You were better. You’re gonna, so there was just a really sweet moment, uh, in the sidelines if you were paying attention.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah,
Alison Brown: yeah. Between, between the blade angels.
Jill Jaracz: Right.
And I think going back to them, I think Amber had said in some flash quotes, like, when she processes [00:17:00] it, all of this, it’s gonna be tough to know that. Doubling. She would’ve been on the podium. Probably,
Alison Brown: yeah. Well she finished third in the long program and she was only five points off.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, so
Alison Brown: the podium and five points is what that jump was worth.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, so that’s tough. Cowrie had, uh, she did get the triple flip and repetition thing, so her first triple flip was a 6.97 in her second. Was a 4.16, but she did not get any deductions.
Alison Brown: Okay. But I don’t think she gets, any of, you can only get the base value then.
Jill Jaracz: Okay.
Alison Brown: Of the jump. There is some ding for that repetition because they don’t want people doing the same triple over and over again.
They wanna show variety.
Right.
Jill Jaracz: What happened to Laura Aki Gutman? ’cause I didn’t see her, but she did not do well. It sounded like
Alison Brown: she, she did okay. She, there was a lot of under, the whole night was kind of filled with two feet and under [00:18:00] rotations, so it looked clean. She didn’t fall, but she had a bunch of, oh, doubled the triple under rotated so it got counted as a double versus a triple.
But she was only a point or so off her season’s best, so it wasn’t that much of a disaster for her. She actually did quite well and I just, not Olympic champion. Sarah Hughes was absolutely right about the Jaws program. It’s, it works for her somehow. Her being the shark part of the time is just.
Artistically impressive.
Jill Jaracz: How was a Delia Trojan, our neutral athlete in her program?
Alison Brown: She did quite well. I believe she finished.
Jill Jaracz: She finished
Alison Brown: sixth. Sixth and she, she did have a fall, but the judges love her.
Jill Jaracz: Interesting.
Alison Brown: Don’t know why, to be honest. ’cause I am not a fan. She does have the look [00:19:00] of, you know, all those Russian skaters of the past 10, 15 years and their jumping style.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: Which I don’t like because it’s just like, oh, I’m jumping, ow it, it doesn’t flow it, it doesn’t have that artistic, artistic quality isn’t the right work. I don’t love her technique.
Jill Jaracz: Okay,
Alison Brown: but the judges do, so I can’t,
Jill Jaracz: well, she didn’t think the judges did because boy, was she stony faced in the kiss and cry.
Alison Brown: She kind of is. That’s her deal,
Jill Jaracz: huh? Okay. Who else loves her? The feed announcer, because he could not stop talking about how, well, maybe in four years she can compete for Russia. Because you know, the Paralympics have allowed Russian and Bell Russians to have their flags, which is a different conversation we’ll have in a week or so.
But I was just shocked at how much he was like, yeah. So,
Alison Brown: well, the last thing I wanna mention is the rag dresses. Mm-hmm. So many, many, [00:20:00] not many years ago during Salt Lake, we had a boss who asked me, Allison, why are all the women skating in rags? She had a lot of questions about the costumes, and I thought of her tonight.
Because so many of these dresses look like the rags I used to tie around my waist when I was a little kid and play dress up with at my grandmother’s house. So yeah, we’ve, it’s a return of the rag dresses, Vera, and I’m thinking of you for it. Oh
Jill Jaracz: man. Oh man. Oh man. But nice night at figure skating.
Alison Brown: Very nice.
Jill Jaracz: Lot of good pro.
Alison Brown: So the official podium was gold to Alyssa Li from the USA Silver to Kii Sakamoto from Japan and bronze to Ami Nakai from Japan who’s a a baby. She’s only 17 years old and just absolutely knocked it outta the park. And both her short and her long and was really underscored in her long because in the free program she finished ninth,
Jill Jaracz: which was surprising,
Alison Brown: which was very surprising.
She had one double. Um. Mm-hmm. [00:21:00] Instead of a triple, but I think they counted some under rotations.
Jill Jaracz: Oh, okay.
Alison Brown: For her. But man, just to watch it.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: I was glad she ended up on the podium ’cause she really deserved it.
Jill Jaracz: Moving over to freestyle skiing, we have the women’s free ski halfpipe qualifiers. Uh, first is Zoe Atkin from Great Britain.
Uh, Lee Fhu from China is in second. Cassie Sharp from Canada is in third, uh, Indra Brown from Australia’s in fourth, and Eileen Goo from China is in fifth. Somebody got hurt today from Canada. We have an email about that.
Oh, Cassie Sharp, who is in
Alison Brown: third place.
Jill Jaracz: Third place, uh, she was injured on the course. She’s in stable condition and is being evaluated, so they, uh, something to go back and, and look for, but hopefully she’s doing okay and is, she’s stable, but hopefully she will be able to compete. Is healthy [00:22:00] in ice hockey.
We had the women’s medal games.
Alison Brown: Okay, so let’s talk about some stuff with this first. Mm-hmm. So first of all, a lot of people complained that they scheduled the women’s gold medal match at the same time as the women’s free skate.
Jill Jaracz: I would, I would not disagree with that argument.
Alison Brown: I think what they intended was for you to watch the hockey game and then when the hockey game was supposed to end was when the last grouping of the women’s free skate was happening.
Jill Jaracz: I guess it didn’t realize how many overtimes would be in the entire hockey tournament, both men’s and women’s.
Alison Brown: It’s like overtime is the thing. So a lot of people were very, um, chippy to use my favorite hockey term about the scheduling that it was. Disrespectful to both the figure skaters and the hockey.
You basically have the two biggest events for women in the Oly in the Winter Olympics, and we’re making [00:23:00] them compete against each other.
Jill Jaracz: Right, and on a weekday, it’s a weird thing to do to put them on a weekday and the men are on the last day Sunday. They have their medal, uh, they’ve got their semifinals tomorrow, I think.
Yes. And then they get the day off. So in that day off, why didn’t you have the women’s?
Alison Brown: Yeah.
Jill Jaracz: It’s just, it’s just really weird. And I, I don’t love the schedule for that because I’m gonna get, be schedule grumpy for the next couple of days because
Alison Brown: yeah,
Jill Jaracz: everything is in the evening and everything’s at the same time.
Alison Brown: Yes.
Jill Jaracz: And I will tell you, I hoofed it today. Boy did I walk fast because I had about an hour to get to speed skating and uh, I got there just I think after the first pair.
Alison Brown: Okay.
Jill Jaracz: Which was pretty good considering how far you have to walk. I know. Do you have those little clues when you get to row? I know we’re still on, on, uh, not on hockey, but when you go to row, there’s clues along the way that [00:24:00] you’re getting close.
First, you know, you walk like three or four moving sidewalks worth. And then you finally get to the volunteer who is like the first wave of people saying you are going in the right direction. Just keep going.
Alison Brown: Just hang in there.
Jill Jaracz: Don’t
Alison Brown: worry.
Jill Jaracz: And, and then you’re like, okay, we’re getting close. And then you get to the next wave of people
Alison Brown: and there’s more of them in the second.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. More of them in the
Alison Brown: second. And that’s when they separate you out.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. And she is, and the one volunteer on the speaker was like, get your tickets ready because it’s starting soon. Get your tickets ready. And so we’ve got a different. Media entrance, that’s the same as hospitality. And uh, with your bag check there, that’s a visual check, not an x-ray.
’cause we don’t have to go through x-rays. Like the, like
the
Alison Brown: peons we did for the first, we did days. Yeah. And then they decided that we won’t have to be x-rayed anymore,
Jill Jaracz: which is fine. We get into the side, they, they, I love the woman at the gate who like sees you and is like, Hey, over here. Come on,
Alison Brown: come on.
Jill Jaracz: Oh, like, oh, thank [00:25:00] goodness. So then you get through that and then there’s two more moving sidewalks. You go downstairs and then you go halfway around the building to get. Well two, wait, two more. Moving sidewalks. You go downstairs, you walk a little further, and then you go halfway around the building.
Alison Brown: Yes.
Jill Jaracz: And then you burst into the speed as I am. Want to do, you burst into the speed skating stadium and you think, please do not keep going forward because you will burst onto the field of play. You have to go to the right. Anyway, that was my hoofing it to speed skating, and then I had to hoof it to hockey and I left and I got to hockey partway through the first period.
Oh. Which was not bad. When you’re considering I am going from one end of the city to the opposite end of the city.
Alison Brown: Yeah.
Jill Jaracz: I have walked so fast today.
Alison Brown: Well take a deep breath Between that and the post office, it has not been a good day for you.
Jill Jaracz: It’s not a good day. That’s why we’re pausing on our [00:26:00] asking for money.
I just don’t have it in me today. People though, if you have it in you, we’re at flame and life pod.com. Um, so I get there and. I know, I just know. Don’t even try for table seats. Right, right. I’m going right to the, the regular seats. And there are a lot of press seats up there for non tabled. Yes. They are not all in use, which is in a way not surprising because figure skating going on at the same time.
Alison Brown: Right.
Jill Jaracz: And you have people who are at speed skating.
Alison Brown: Who did huff it quite as well as you?
Jill Jaracz: No, there was one guy who was asking around anybody going to hockey ’cause he wanted to share a cab and I just did not speak up ’cause this girl, this girl doesn’t have a cab budget. Um, so I get there and I’m just looking for the very first Pressy I see, which is among fans.
So they have maybe sold more tickets and are just like, go sit in the press seats. I have no idea how that worked, [00:27:00] but I got in between some women cheering for the US and then a man who was American but had been living in Brazil like permanently now got married and, and it’s carnival week in Brazil, and he decided let’s just bring my two sons up to, to Milan and let’s go to the Olympics.
And they have had a grand old time.
Alison Brown: Fantastic.
Jill Jaracz: Told me how idyllic Corina has been. It’s killing me, killing me. And then he was really sad that his daughters couldn’t come and see the hockey game ’cause it was really special. Except for when I came in, it was messy. The US was messy and it looked like they were very nervous.
It, it just was a, a big old mess. And then, uh. Canada, it took until the beginning of period two to score and Canada’s [00:28:00] O’Neill scored right at the beginning of the period. And that was, uh, it. For almost the entire game.
Alison Brown: Yeah, it was one, nothing until,
Jill Jaracz: until about two minutes left when Hillary Knight scored for the US and the crowd goes nuts.
But it was a really big Canada crowd, unless your US people were wearing red. Because it was a Red Sea out there.
Alison Brown: Well, I saw a lot of them on my train.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: Um, and they were all going to drink before the, the game, so Yeah. They, uh, they were coming for you.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, it was really loud. The crowd was fantastic.
Again, with the karaoke, imagine. There’s no better way to bring down the energy than make everybody sing Imagine together. Although the second karaoke that they did later in the night was, uh, I have the tiger. Better. Yeah, that’s a little better, better, better choice. And I gotta say, I don’t know if I’ve heard a song from 2025 or later in this whole Olympics.
Don’t don’t
Alison Brown: think we’ve heard a [00:29:00] song from like 2010 or later.
Jill Jaracz: I am. Dying because there, I know there are people who are like, oh, all the songs are really catchy, blah, blah, blah. I was singing and then they got the soundtrack. I do not have the soundtrack in my head for anything. Like I had it in Paris.
Alison Brown: No, not even close.
Jill Jaracz: And I, I wish I knew, uh, I wish I got hit to some Italian pop songs while I was here.
Alison Brown: Yes.
Jill Jaracz: That’s what I was hoping for. Like what do the locals listen to?
Alison Brown: They listen apparently to American. Old timey songs.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. I guess the seventies, eighties, and beyond is the only radio format that exists in Italy.
The only song that’s sticking in my head is Freebird. That’s
Alison Brown: true.
Jill Jaracz: That is the American, uh, designated goal
Alison Brown: song. Goal song.
Jill Jaracz: Oh. Which I love. Um.
Alison Brown: Overtime.
Jill Jaracz: Overtime we had to go into overtime again. Oh, oh. And behind me is a reporter, uh, who used to work for [00:30:00] CBS News and is now here for with, uh, C-B-C-N-P-R, and he had words to say about the fact that the US didn’t get their goal until they pulled their goalie at the end.
Then he also did not like the overtime format, which is three on three Sudden Death. I don’t love the three on three, but it makes, you know, it makes stuff faster. And skaters have to work harder when they’re tired. And I don’t care if you pull your goalie, that’s in the rules. It’s okay to do that.
Alison Brown: You’re allowed, that’s the point of the, that’s the point of the rule.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. So if you get a goal, you got a goal that that strategy worked. So I don’t, I don’t know what was up with him, but, uh, us of course, thrilled. My other job would be the power break. Is that what they call it? The power break? Yeah,
Alison Brown: power break.
Jill Jaracz: Power break. Kids who, uh, come in and [00:31:00] shovel the snow off the ice.
They also had to bring out the bin, the, their, their rolly bins so that they could pick up all the sticks and helmets at the end because. Every US helmet and stick went fly in one once they won gold. So that was pretty good.
Alison Brown: So bronze medal game was also overtime.
Jill Jaracz: This is wild. This is wild. How much?
Alison Brown: There have been more overtime games than any other Olympic tournament.
Jill Jaracz: Wow.
Alison Brown: I can’t, I mean, somebody may correct me on that, but I did hear that today that there have been more overtime games, this in both the men’s and the women’s tournament than they’ve ever seen before, which I think speaks to the quality of. Hockey being more international. Yes. We’re not getting that.
Only one or two teams are dominating that. You’re seeing a lot more equality and equity in, in the talent.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. So, and having those nice close games makes and competitive [00:32:00] games further down the bracket is nice because it’s great for the fans, it’s great for the sport.
Alison Brown: So in their overtime, Switzerland scored their, uh, golden goal.
Less than one minute left in overtime. So they almost went to a shootout.
Jill Jaracz: Whoa.
Alison Brown: And it was scored by Lena Mo Mueller, who played in Sochi the last time Switzerland got a medal. Wow. When she was 15.
Jill Jaracz: Wow. That’s amazing. Slight aside, I saw a Sochi media backpack today. They’re beautiful.
Alison Brown: I’m sure they are.
Jill Jaracz: And I’m jealous.
They are like, uh. It’s got patchwork kind of on it of different fabrics that were very patterned and it was very cool looking like, oh, they gave out backpacks in Sochi too.
Alison Brown: They gave out backpacks everywhere except stopped in Paris.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, I guess so.
Alison Brown: And now here, here, we didn’t even get a [00:33:00] water bottle. We got nothing.
Jill Jaracz: I don’t, yeah, not going back to that. Complaining, but, and I don’t need it. Another water bottle. No, we don’t. I’ll tell you that. And I, I think it’s just feeling appreciated for being here to cover their events.
Alison Brown: I would’ve liked a pen.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, right. A pen would’ve been nice.
Alison Brown: Anything Little mini Tina.
Jill Jaracz: Don’t go too far.
Don’t be greedy. Do not be greedy. Um.
Alison Brown: So,
Jill Jaracz: so yeah, the, the, uh, I, I hear you have feed beefs.
Alison Brown: So these are not my feed beefs, these are feed beefs that came from others.
Jill Jaracz: Okay.
Alison Brown: And the big one is basically that we, we don’t like that the women’s game is not being treated fairly, that it is generally being treated, like we were saying it’s a Thursday night, and that on NBC, at least, they keep bringing on the male players.
To [00:34:00] talk during the, the women’s games or doing features on the male players during the women’s games. And apparently the note that I’ve been seeing a lot of, if anybody has to see the Kach brothers anymore, they’re gonna lose their minds.
Jill Jaracz: What’s up with this? Uh. NHL affiliation stuff.
Alison Brown: So when they introduce the players, they have a Chiron on the screen that tells you what their NHL affiliation is.
Jill Jaracz: Mm-hmm.
Alison Brown: Not doing the same thing for the women players, really? For the, the Women’s League.
Jill Jaracz: Wow. That’s something.
Alison Brown: Yeah.
Jill Jaracz: You know, and it’s interesting because
it’s not been an issue with the PWHL yet,
Alison Brown: yet,
Jill Jaracz: and I’m curious when that will flip, but, uh, go see some women’s hockey, pro hockey build that up.
Alison Brown: Yeah. And [00:35:00] you know, let’s not have the Kuck brothers doing anything with women’s hockey that cannot end well.
Jill Jaracz: I heard Tom Brady was that. The, the match tonight.
Alison Brown: Was he really?
Jill Jaracz: That’s what I heard. I did not see him. But
Alison Brown: that is not a man who should be allowed around female hockey players. Let’s just put it that way.
Jill Jaracz: Oh man. Oh man. So, um, one thing we were looking for was if, uh. Canada had won gold, it would’ve been Marie Philippe LAN’s fourth gold medal, not consecutively, but a fourth gold, and it would’ve been Hillary Knight’s fourth Silver, if that had been that way.
Alison Brown: Well, we just blew that out of the water because Gold went to USA, silver went to Canada. Bronze went to Switzerland.
Jill Jaracz: It was a very exciting night.
Alison Brown: It
was
Jill Jaracz: very, very exciting night.
Alison Brown: Really good hockey tonight. Really good hockey.
Jill Jaracz: Moving on to Nordic combined. Really, really snowy.
Alison Brown: It [00:36:00] got so snowy that there was a goat on the snow.
The, the run for the ski jump.
Jill Jaracz: How do you wait on that ramp?
Alison Brown: On the, on the side ramp? On the normal hill. Oh, okay. There was a mountain goat that climbed not, you know, like while they were, when they, not, when they were actually. Skiing so nobody was on it. But so when they finished for the day, a mountain goat found its way onto the normal hill
Jill Jaracz: boy
Alison Brown: and was climbing its way up, and I heard it yodel at the top of the hill.
Jill Jaracz: Alright,
Alison Brown: so now we’ve had a dog and a goat. I, I don’t know what that says about these Olympics.
Jill Jaracz: So the snowy conditions made it hard to see. A lot of people fell during the cross country race, so this really sounds like a survival of the fittest in a way, or survival of the nons Stumbly variety. Gold went to Norway, silver went to Finland, and we’re in the team Sprint too.
I don’t know if we mentioned that. [00:37:00] Gold went to Norway, silver went to Finland, bronze went to Austria. This is Yen’s Lauras ote Bros. Third gold medal of these games.
Alison Brown: Clean sweep.
Jill Jaracz: I wonder how that, I mean, it’s exciting for him, but as you know, Nordic combined is the modern pentathlon of the Winter Olympics.
It’s always on the chopping block.
Alison Brown: And when you have a clean sweep that like that, and you have, you know, Norway, Finland, Austria, on the podium again, does that make it less attractive to stick around?
Jill Jaracz: We’ll find out, uh, our ani by proxy. Or relations. Nicholas Malki, who’s, uh, Annika. Maki’s brother. He and Ben Loomis finished seventh.
So diplomas for you. New sport alerts.
Alison Brown: Schmo, you were gonna try and make the trip, but it was too snowy. We, and it’s just as well, you didn’t, because we got so many travel alerts today about [00:38:00] don’t go to the mountain, stay in.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. It’s been really, really snowy there. We’ve gotten, uh, the. Avalanche prevention.
So we’re gonna halt traffic for a little while. Notification. We got, please don’t drive notifications. It’s gonna take longer notifications. And I did really want to see this so I could tell you what it was like in person and it just wasn’t happening because I would, I would’ve had to leave probably.
Four o’clock in the morning, I don’t think I would’ve gone to sleep at all and to include this long period of snow. Snow induced anxiety, I guess. I don’t know. But I wasn’t getting there. And then we watched it and it was interesting. Then it made me go, oh, the mixed relay is coming up, but the mixed relay is all of 45 minutes and I just cannot [00:39:00] justify unless there’s nothing, really nothing.
Going on a six hour round trip to see a 45 minute. Race.
Alison Brown: That was our biggest complaint about schema, was the races really were too short. Each of them were about two and a half minutes long, and it was so quick that I didn’t feel like I got a sense of the sport
Jill Jaracz: Right. And how difficult it was
Alison Brown: and how complicated it was because we did not realize there was gonna be a ski obstacle course
Jill Jaracz: and stairs.
Alison Brown: Yeah. They had to climb sta they take off their skis and climb stairs as part of the. The mountain climb portion of it. And I appreciate that. They wanna make it quick and they wanna make it, um, a sprint and you wanna keep people interested, but gimme a chance to get to know the sport a little bit better.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. There’s gotta be something in between sprint and a long distances. Skima, we
Alison Brown: need a 400,
Jill Jaracz: yeah. 400 or 1500 or something like that. Yeah. Something [00:40:00] much longer because some
Alison Brown: middle distance,
Jill Jaracz: it, it just felt so short and. Thank goodness there were heats. That’s all I can say. If you bought a ticket, thank goodness you got heats because it was over and done in a blink of an eye.
And so really you get on the course on your skis with your skins on the bottom so that you’re, you’ve got traction and you run up the hill. Then you hit this obstacle thing where you have to like zigzag through a maze. On
Alison Brown: your skis.
Jill Jaracz: On your skis, you run up the hill a little bit more. Take the skis off.
Go up maybe 10 stairs.
Alison Brown: No, I think it was more than that.
Jill Jaracz: Okay, you go up some stairs, put your skis back on. Keep running up the hill. Get to the top of the hill. Take the skins off the skis. Some people. Uh, uh, they had really cool technique for just kind of like
Alison Brown: ripping ’em off,
Jill Jaracz: ripping ’em off, and hopping in the air while they’re ripping, so they don’t have to take the, the skis off at all.
[00:41:00] And then you ski down the, the slope and the course didn’t look necessarily wide enough for passing to be really feasible,
Alison Brown: and nobody did. There was no race that was decided on that downhill portion. It was all decided in the transitions.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah. Which is really sad because, and the maze bit also, you could not pass in that, uh, you could probably pass in the stairs, but it just, it was it interesting course and an interesting looking sport.
But all that it had going for it for me was newness.
Alison Brown: Yes.
Jill Jaracz: And what is this? This is something different. But when it’s over that quickly, when you have a course that is designed to not allow for competition, that didn’t make it fun to watch after a while,
Alison Brown: right? It was you won in your start and your [00:42:00] transition, which is probably the least interesting portion in terms of watching as a fan for people to win and you wanna see them pass each other on the downhill.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, right.
Alison Brown: You wanna see the downhill to be the most competitive portion, not when they’re running up the steps and you can’t figure out why are they running up steps. What is this the Paris Marathon? What is, what is happening?
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, because it’s ski mountaineering and it was really billed to us as we run up the hill on our skis and we ski down the hill.
When did stairs get into the, when? The last time? When the last time have you seen stairs on a mountain? I mean, they exist, but I
Alison Brown: can’t tell you the answer to that.
Jill Jaracz: Is it by the bridge?
Alison Brown: No, it was in Beijing on the ice stairs when I almost died.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, right. It did have stairs
Alison Brown: and it was, it was not a good, no, there were no steps by my bridge this time.
That’s what I mean. I had to hike. I had to hike. I was ski mowing and I didn’t even know it. [00:43:00]
Jill Jaracz: But you didn’t have skis or skins on?
Alison Brown: Well, that’s not the point.
Jill Jaracz: You might have just been mountaineering,
but yeah, the, the whole, uh. I don’t know. I would love to hear what listeners have to think about. Uh, yeah, what listeners think about it. And I haven’t been able to be in the Facebook group as much because I’ve been ho hoofing it. Through most of Milan today because again, oh man, did I go so fast through that train station and from the drop off,
Alison Brown: the wind was blowing by your ears.
Jill Jaracz: Right?
Alison Brown: You were, you were like a drone
Jill Jaracz: zipping
Alison Brown: around.
Jill Jaracz: Right? I’m feeling new muscles forming every day.
Oh, but the, the ice hockey arena, instead of the, the lights on the outside saying Winter Olympics Milano Cortina 2020 gold medal game. Oh good. All the gold, gold medal [00:44:00] game. That was cool. Anyway, back to ski mountaineering, which was over before we knew it. So if this stays, oh, and uh, it was a big sport in Italy.
They were so excited to have it. No Italians on the podium. That was surprising. Um, but again, heavy snow. So maybe that was a factor in some of this. I’m, I’m not sure we don’t know. Um, women’s Sprint Gold went to Switzerland’s, Marianne Ton Silver went to Emily Har from France and Bronze went to Anna Alonso Rodriguez from Spain in the men’s sprint.
Gold went to Orel Cardona. Call from Espan from Espania from Spain. Uh, silver went to, uh, Nikita Phil OV from, uh, neutral athletes who is the first neutral athlete medal winner at Milano Cortina 2026 Bronze went to [00:45:00] Tebow on some from France
Alison Brown: and apparently the French are the favorites are they? And the relay.
Jill Jaracz: Okay.
Alison Brown: So keep your eye on them.
Jill Jaracz: Alright. And the relay, which will, and just pry open your eyes because if you blink, you’re gonna miss this one.
Alison Brown: Miss it? Yeah. Don’t blink. It’s like in that Dr. Who episode with the weeping angels who are coming for you. Oh no.
Jill Jaracz: But yes. Let us know what you think about ski mountaineering so far.
I’m very curious if it will be at French Alps. It might because the French have done well. But we haven’t heard much from French Alps anyway, so
Alison Brown: Yeah, they’re not like LA 28 that steals everybody’s thunder.
Jill Jaracz: Okay, let’s do an aside about that. We got an email. There’s still time to get tickets and volunteer.
It’s two and a half years away. LA 2028. I realize that the volunteer window sign up. We’ll close somewhat soon, but don’t tell me a few months ahead of time that there’s [00:46:00] still time.
Alison Brown: Especially not during somebody else’s party.
Jill Jaracz: Right. I think you got some problems in your own house to deal with.
Alison Brown: Yeah. Let’s not talk about that.
Jill Jaracz: Um,
Alison Brown: let’s talk about speed skating.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, I know, but if you’re curious, we have some leadership issues and some, some choices in, in people they hang out with or used to hang out with. Anyway, uh, speed skating, uh, fun day. Men’s 1500
Alison Brown: Fun race,
Jill Jaracz: fun, race venue, music included. I would walk 500 miles.
Alison Brown: Well, shouldn’t it be, I would skate 500 miles
Jill Jaracz: might, but that’s when I went, why can’t we hear anything new?
But people did like that song. People, of course the Dutch were in fine form as fans
Alison Brown: as they always are.
Jill Jaracz: Um. I am understanding what I call flags as you’re officiating volunteer job.
Alison Brown: Yes.
Jill Jaracz: The red flag with the white Olympic rings on it is for the [00:47:00] outer, but they’re for the different There’s, ’cause there’s a white one that had Bolano Cortina 2026 on it.
Oh. One flag is for the inner and one is for the outer. And that matches the armband for the skater. ’cause there was, there was a false start today.
Alison Brown: Oh.
Jill Jaracz: And I noticed flags in action. Oh, that’s your favorite thing, finding stuff in action. Yeah. So, um, in order to make the podium, this was so wild, you had to break the existing Olympic record to be on the podium, and that record was held by, uh, KD noose from Netherlands, who, uh, got that in.
Beijing 2022. He skated to 1 43 21, and he also holds a world record on a different track. Gold’s here went to Ning z Yang from China, who got 1 41 98. Took over a second off of this record. [00:48:00]
Alison Brown: Whoa.
Jill Jaracz: Silver went to Jordan Stoltz, who was 1 42 75. And bronze went to Kilt Noose 1 42 82.
Alison Brown: So he breaks his own Olympic record and ends up with a bronze.
Jill Jaracz: Yes. Yes. And, uh, he was, uh, pretty happy about that. And then the, the Olympic record got broken again in para 11 out of the 14 pairs. Uh, and that went to Veno Mars.
Alison Brown: But he didn’t end up on the
Jill Jaracz: podium. No, he didn’t. He had 1 43 0 5. So he even took a couple of tents off basically and still didn’t it on the podium.
It was just wild.
Alison Brown: There was a, there was a lot of naked Dutchman though, on the feed
Jill Jaracz: there. There was
Alison Brown: what? What was happening?
Jill Jaracz: They were very hot.
They exerted themselves on a cold. Surface and they get very hot. I know exactly how they feel. I feel it every day. [00:49:00] I just can’t take my sweater off and let the world see this action because nobody will be going. I see you’ve been hoofing it. Take care. Take your clothes off and hang out a while and show
Alison Brown: off
Jill Jaracz: all your tattoos, apparently.
Yeah. Right. With, yeah, that’s not happening either. I don’t have those. Um. But I did see some speed. I wanted to tell you, I saw some speed skating thighs in the wild. Somebody was walking through and they had shorts on, and you just see like the definition in the thighs and it’s just incredible how strong these skaters are.
Just incredible. Um, NY. Whoa. You could tell he was flying just the speed he had. Jordan Stoltz, he can get so low and, and Noyce, or KI, I am sure I’m pronouncing his last name [00:50:00] wrong, but, uh, kil said Stoltz just didn’t have it today and he totally lost the race.
Alison Brown: Hmm.
Jill Jaracz: And sometimes you win silver and that’s the way it goes.
Alison Brown: And that’s not. You don’t lose silver like silver’s. Not a loss.
Jill Jaracz: Yeah, I know you just didn’t, you didn’t get the gold ’cause you just didn’t skate fast enough and it was just, you had to skate beyond fast to win today. But Stoltz looked pretty good and I was surprised that he was, I would say so far behind, but nobody was catching ing.
Nobody.
Alison Brown: And he was very emotional when he won.
Jill Jaracz: Oh, yeah.
Alison Brown: He was thrilled. There was a lot of tears and a lot of, I, I always love a good crying medalist.
Jill Jaracz: Well, and there were a lot of Chinese journalists around me
Alison Brown: videoing
Jill Jaracz: when you’re not supposed to, but, uh, they were very thrilled too.
Alison Brown: Yes. I, I had to [00:51:00] instruct a young man this evening
Jill Jaracz: Oh boy,
Alison Brown: on the, um, you know, you’re not supposed to video.
And he was like, what do you mean? Read your handbook next time,
Jill Jaracz: and then is the end of competition for today.
Alison Brown: Oh. Exhausting.
Jill Jaracz: It is exhausting.
Alison Brown: And I didn’t even have to hoof it.
Jill Jaracz: Right. I feel like I need to do a few laps around the apartment just to cool down.
Alison Brown: We do have some gelato in the freezer
Jill Jaracz: that, that I’ll have too because I am still hungry.
Alison Brown: I was just thinking the same thing that I’m, we gonna see what snacks, like, you know what? Snacky Allison did not go to the grocery store today.
Jill Jaracz: Oh, that was probably
Alison Brown: the thing. Un snacky. Allison went to the grocery store. So now snacky Allison is just gonna have to make do with what I bought earlier. But I did get some breadsticks.
I did get another box of those breadsticks.
Jill Jaracz: You do love those.
Alison Brown: I do love them.
Jill Jaracz: So yeah, there’s been a lot of, a lot of, I have cookies, [00:52:00] I’ve got some Milan, Corina Chocolate spheres. Chocolate spheres, which are very interesting. I mean, they’re not, they’re. Are
Alison Brown: they just chocolate or do they have things inside?
Jill Jaracz: There is a filling inside, but I’ve always just popped them in my mouth and when I, when I bite down, I’m like, next time you bite half of it and see what the inside is. I have been very prone to the kinder, uh, they’re like refrigerated cakes.
Alison Brown: Oh,
Jill Jaracz: they’re just little snacky things for kids’ lunchboxes, I’m sure.
But they’re also good for my lunchbox.
Alison Brown: I was gonna say, they’re very good for hungry podcasters,
Jill Jaracz: right? There’s been pudding in my life. I never eat pudding. What’s going on here?
Alison Brown: You’ve been hoofing it around Milan and somehow pudding hits the spot.
Jill Jaracz: That’s right. And we have Shukla on watch,
Alison Brown: Alana Meyers Taylor and Bree Walker are back for the two women bobsled. I wanted to mention the Shuk Stan medal count. We’ve got [00:53:00] four golds, two silvers, and one bronze with two more medals available to us.
Jill Jaracz: Wow. We are doing pretty well.
Alison Brown: We are doing nicely.
Jill Jaracz: Nice. And we have shout outs.
Alison Brown: Yeah. First one is Beth Williams from Arlington Heights, Illinois, and she wanted us to know that she’s the former winner of an age bracket for cross country ski racing at the age of four.
And this was in the upper peninsula of Michigan. Are you gonna show me where it was in our hand?
Jill Jaracz: It’s, it’s up here.
Alison Brown: It’s up here at the fingertips. Yeah.
Jill Jaracz: , Good on you, Beth. And that would be, you know. Beth, like Beth Hyden, who competed at, uh, 1976 and 1980 in speed skating, taking home a bronze at 1980 in the 3000 meters.
Also, sister of Eric Hyden and Mom to us by athlete, , Olympian, Joanne Reed, who is competing here, but you know, she must be a friend of yours, right?
Alison Brown: We’ve never met, Eric’s, never introduced us.[00:54:00]
Jill Jaracz: But that doesn’t make you a friend by proxy or do you, wait, do you have rules around this friendship stuff?
Alison Brown: Well, I just, you know, we’ve never been in a room together. I was never That
Jill Jaracz: you know of.
Alison Brown: That I know of. That’s true. But I think I would be aware of it since Eric’s my friend, I would know if I met his sister.
Jill Jaracz: Hmm. Interesting. Who else do we have to shout out today?
Alison Brown: We have Don Waylon from Andover, Massachusetts.
Jill Jaracz: Don, we, I found some New England flare for you. You are like Donald Frazier, a Canadian Paris figure skater who skated with his eventual wife, candy Jones at Innsbrook. 1976 they placed 14th and then later they moved to Vermont in your neck of the woods, basically.
And he had a woodworking in furniture business. Which is quite an interesting transition.
Alison Brown: Well, he carved ice with his blade and then he carved wood with his, I don’t know what you used to carve wood.
Jill Jaracz: Wood working tool.
Alison Brown: I don’t know those things. Maybe he used his skate blade to carve [00:55:00] wood. Who knows?
Jill Jaracz: You never know.
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