On this episode we’re bringing you more tape from the Team USA Media Summit, and we’re talking with three Paralympians: Wheelchair tennis player David Wagner, para judo athlete Liana Mutia and para table tennis player Ian Seidenfeld.

We’re thrilled to have gotten a few minutes with wheelchair tennis player David Wagner. David’s a tough man to pin down! David is a five-time Paralympian who’s won eight Paralympic medals – three gold, three silver and two bronze. He competes in the quad class and has done both singles and doubles.

At Paris 2024, the Olympic and Paralympic tennis tournaments will take place at Roland Garros, the home of the French Open, which is getting underway.  David plays on the pro wheelchair tennis circuit and has had plenty of practice on the red clay courts. The Games haven’t played on clay since Barcelona 1992, so we wanted to learn a little more about this surface. David filled us in on what it’s like to play on clay.

Next we talk with para judo Paralympian Liana Mutia. Liana competes in the 64 kg class and competed at Tokyo 2020. Since then she has won bronze medals at the 2022 IBSA World Champs and IBSA World Games. At the end of the 2023 season, she was ranked as the top athlete in the world in the her weight class, the first US athlete to ever do so.

Liana took up judo before she started losing her vision, so we wondered what it felt like to compete as a sighted person compared to not having sight–and there’s a world of difference! Liana explains what it was like to completely relearn how to do judo, and she also tells us how she’s already competed at Paris 2024.

Finally, we talk with para table tennis Paralympian Ian Seidenfeld. We remember watching Ian win gold at Tokyo 2020–his coach his is dad, also a Paralympian in para table tennis, which is just part of his story. Ian is short of stature, and even though he competes against other short statured athletes, he is shorter than many. That means many of his competitors use a strategy of serving so short on the table that Ian can’t reach the ball. To combat that, Ian and his father came up with a paddle extender. It works great–when it’s approved. We talk about the development and approval of the extender, as well as how Ian uses it in a game.

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Plus, in Paris news, be on the look out for a scam involving Paralympic Opening Ceremony tickets. Remember, paper tickets for Paris 2024 (both Olympics and Paralympics) don’t exist. Be sure to get them through official sources!

Some sponsorship news: The Kyodo News reports that Toyota will be ending its TOP Sponsorship with the IOC after Paris 2024. That is an interesting development.

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341-Team USA Paralympians David Wagner Liana Mutia Ian Seidenfeld

Jill: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Keep the Flame Alive, the podcast for fans of the Olympics and Paralympics. If you love the Games, we are the show for you. Each week we share stories from athletes and people behind the scenes to help you have more fun watching the Games. I am your host, Jill Jaracz, joined as always by my lovely co host, Alison Brown.

Alison, hello, how are you? Happy Memorial Day. Happy Mem Is it happy

Alison: though? Well, yes, because without Memorial Day. We couldn’t enjoy what we get to enjoy

Jill: very true So, thank you to all of those who sacrificed their lives for freedom here in the u. s I know not all of you listening celebrate Memorial Day, but we do I will be reveling in Indy 500 race results I hope by the time you hear this Barbecues for everyone.

There you go. There you go So in in light of the fact That it is Memorial Day here in the U. S. We are putting together a shorter show with some of our ParaSport interviews from the Team USA Media Summit.

David Wagner Interview

Jill: First up, because the French Open is also underway, we hear from wheelchair tennis player, David Wagner.

Dave, it’s the only time we’ve gotten to hear from David Wagner. You know, David Wagner, you keep promising us and scheduling with us. And, and I, when I realized it was French open, I was like, Oh, well, that’s never going to happen now.

Alison: Maybe we’ll talk to you in December.

Jill: That’s right. Well, David is a five time Paralympian.

He has eight medals, three golds, three silvers, and two bronzes. He competes in the quad class and has done both singles and doubles in competition. Take a listen.

All right, David Clay, and wheelchairs, and surface court, how, how does the chair work in the clay, work with the clay versus a hard court, and, we’ll just go there, you know.

David Wagner: Sure, sure, so wheelchair tennis is played on all surfaces, we play grass, hard court, and clay, all around the world, as well as artificial grass, um, Roland Garros being red clay, which is different from the United States, in which we have green clay, which is completely different, um, there is more friction.

So the chair is going to be a little bit slower. But the beauty of it is the ball is also slower. So it’s equal parts slowed down. Whereas grass, so to speak, the ball is really fast, but it pushes slower. So it’s a harder dynamic. So the beauty of red clay is The ball is slower, as is your push, but it’s almost equal.

So it doesn’t feel as though it’s a whole lot different than playing volleyball. The push is heavier and it’s more work, but it’s definitely not, uh, It doesn’t impact the, the, the speed of our push like St. Grastus.

Alison: Does it get caught up in the wheels and in the dynamics? Oh, clay gets

David Wagner: everywhere. Clay gets everywhere, yeah.

Alison: And does that affect you as you’re going along in the match?

David Wagner: A little bit. You know, for me, I tape the racket to my hand and so the athletic tape starts to get some red dust and dirt on it. And if it’s super breezy, like, or windy, the dust clouds come up But I’ll tell you, you go take a shower afterwards and you have clay and spots on your body that you’re like, how did clay get there?

Alison: With the clay and the lower bounce of the ball, does that make it that much more difficult? Believe

David Wagner: it or not, the ball on clay actually bounces up more. Okay. So grass the ball gets through the court, hard court is traditional. Uh, in clay, the ball actually hits and kicks up quite high. So if you think of like a Rafael Nadal who puts a ton of spin on the ball, it hits and kicks up, whereas then a one handed backhand is taking the ball up higher.

So, our balls kick up quite high, uh, on clay.

Alison: Okay, so then with the higher kick being that, does it Yeah. Are you end up doing kind of overhead smashes all the time? Yeah. You’re

David Wagner: either coming forward taking it on the rise or sometimes sitting, waiting back for it to drop a little bit or reaching up over your head and, and trying to be offensive from a very defensive position.

Alison: Are you ever retiring? Ha ? No. Excellent answer.

Jill: Thank you so much, David.

Liana Mutia Interview

Jill: Next up we have para judo athlete, Liana Mutia. Liana competes in the 64 kilogram class and competed at Tokyo 2020. Since then, she’s won bronze medals at the 2022 I-S-I-B-S-A World Champs and IBSA World Games.

And At the end of the 2023 season, she was ranked at the top athlete in the world in her category, the first U. S. athlete ever to do so.

so when you started to use your vision, you had to Vern Judo, is that correct? So what was that process like?

Liana Mutia: It was a lot, oh my god, years and years and years of trial and error. Um, I think I mentioned, actually, I wish I had mentioned this briefly beforehand.

Actually, I did. But, my modus operandi is something called test driven development, and that is a type of, um, it’s a type of development in which case you throw a bunch of test cases to gather information. to increase the success, sorry, to recognize patterns and find solutions. Basically in my, sorry, to put it in layman’s terms, to increase my success, sorry, my chances of winning.

I had to use that specific technique to learn, to relearn how to fight again after I lost my vision. How

Alison: much did it affect your balance and your sense of where you are in space when you’re, when you’re writing? Oh

Liana Mutia: my god, I can’t even, I can’t even tell you how much it affected my balance because like one thing that I did not realize when I was sighted is that when you’re sighted you’re always looking, even if you don’t think you’re looking at anything, you’re always looking at something and that’s what keeps you from like falling over and like gives you a reference as to where you are in space.

When you are totally blind, when you have no more vision, but you’re used to having to, um, you know, look at something, or sorry, you’re used to looking at something out of habit, just to keep yourself, like, in balance, it completely throws off your sense of balance. You’re basically forced to, not only in fighting, but also in your daily life, um, how to relearn how your body works, and how, and you basically learn how to become hypersensitive to, you know, to touch, to noise, to, I don’t know, like, smell, I mean, all, all sorts of, sorry, all of those sorts of things.

Because that all plays into, um, being aware of your environment. I have always been passively observant, but ever since I’ve gone blind, I’ve unfortunately become more passively observant. Which is bad, because I live in the middle of a city, and it’s very loud.

Alison: Ah, God. Did you find, do you still find that sometimes you feel disconnected from your, your limbs in the sense of you can’t see them, but you feel them, and that change in input, either, either in life or in your story?

Liana Mutia: Um, absolutely not. I wish that that could ever become a case because, um, like I said before, ever since I went blind, I’ve become very hypersensitive to touch and it’s to the point where I always need to be fully covered to some extent, so even in the summer, um, especially if I’m in the office, I will have to wear my blindfold.

I will have like a little miniskirt, but I’ll have stockings on because I, despite the fact that I’m in such a physical sport, I don’t like being touched directly.

Jill: So then, what is that like at the beginning of the match when the referee puts your hands on your competitors? First, does it, do different referees do that differently in places?

Liana Mutia: It’s always in the same spot, and it is a massive influx of information. Um, if I weren’t so used to fighting, and if I had just, if I had taken up fighting, for example, after I lost my vision, it would be completely overwhelming, but because I’ve been fighting for so long, It is, uh, just, it’s just a massive influx of information.

That’s the best, that’s the best way I can put it. How do you train

Jill: yourself to quickly sort through that information in order to do the next thing? Then you have to go.

Liana Mutia: Oh, right. Um, so I am, uh, I feel like I’ve reiterated this all day. I am not very strong and I’m also not very aggressive. I am just an intelligent fighter.

Of all my matches, I have always won. Months ago, or a year ago, simply because I, uh, planned out my launches to the closest and greatest degree. Unfortunately, I’m more of a strategist than anything, so everything, when I’m fighting, I’m, when I’m taking in this massive influx of information, I already know what to do, and if I didn’t have everything planned, then I would just be standing there overwhelmed.

So, in

Alison: fighting at the Paralympics, Obviously your environment is going to be extremely different. So how are you prepping for the noise, the crowd, the, the, all the sounds coming at you?

Liana Mutia: Um, I am prepping by just doing what I normally do because, like I said, I live in the middle of the city and at practice it’s also quite loud because it’s such a, the room that I practice in is quite narrow so the sound bounces off quite, um, for lack of a better word, in a confusing way.

So that is, that’s how I’m prepping. And even when I’m at a training camp or, you know, I’m walking somewhere, I am always used to this massive influx of just stimuli that I’ve learned to become just used to it. Honestly, at this point, I said every once in a while, I wish I lived out in the middle of nowhere.

And then I remembered that out in the middle of nowhere is where you can get murdered. So I, yes, but you know how to fight. Oh, that’s right. But also out in the middle of nowhere. It’s where they don’t have like, I don’t know why, I just really like Popeyes. Out, out in the middle of nowhere is where they do not have like a Popeyes chain, so.

Alison: I see a sponsorship opportunity for you.

Liana Mutia: I just, okay, so just, if Popeyes or, you know, Bojangles ever wants to sponsor me, I am from the south. I have this love for fried chicken. Fried chicken connoisseur. That’s why I’m a, that’s why I’m a little chunky. I used to go to sleep for dinner. Not when I was, when I was a student, but not anymore.

Okay. Chunky,

Alison: not a word that I would use for you in any Stretch of the imagination. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. How much research goes into, because you’re saying so, uh, so much strategy,

Liana Mutia: Yeah.

Alison: into your opponents and who you may face, how you, how that’s going to stack up?

Liana Mutia: Are

Alison: you, like,

Liana Mutia: are you asking, like, every single week or in general?

Either. Oh, every single week, that’s approximately, is it like 10 to 15 hours of just research? Because I, um, at the end of the day, I am just some nerd who works in an office on a computer, so if, and I would have to be an absolute, I’m sorry, I would have to be a complete and utter fool to want to go head to head with a woman who all she does is train, recover, and sleep well, and she’s, you know, She’s got nutritionists, coaches, um, strategists, she’s got, you know, she’s got an entire team behind her.

Why would I fight that head on? I might as well just fight, you know, use my strengths, which is research and just generally being lame.

Thank you so much and good luck to you. You as well, so much.

Jill: Thank you so much, Leanna.

Ian Seidenfeld Interview

Jill: And finally, we talk with table tennis player, Ian Seidenfeld, whom we talked about during Tokyo 2020 because his dad and coach is also a Paralympic gold medalist from 1992. It was fun when we realized that in the media summit.

Alison: You know, I think we talked about it when we came out of the media summit.

But sometimes we didn’t know who was going to come at the end. the table across from us. And we certainly didn’t know until about five minutes before, and we knew we were going to get time with Ian. We very quickly pulled our research together, and then got very excited that he was coming with us.

Jill: That’s right.

Hopefully he was excited as well when he got done with us. Uh, Ian is short of stature, so he and his dad developed a paddle extender to help him combat fair play issues, and During competition. And we get into all of that discussion as well about around the panel extender in one goals at Tokyo 2020, and also at the 2023 pair of pan American games.

Take a listen.

Alison: Okay, we watched some video of the new extension. for your paddle that was approved. And we have so many questions as to how this actually works.

So, obviously your reach is less, and a lot of players were serving short to you making it very easy to ace. How does the extension work? In terms of, do you keep it on? Do you take it off after the serve? What happens if someone serves really long? Just the technique of, okay, you’ve got this pole attached to your paddle.

It is a paddle, I am saying? Okay, good.

Ian Seidenfeld: Yeah, so there’s a, there’s a couple parts to the extension. Uh, two parts in that you have the paddle, and then you have a smaller extension that’s going to Twist into the, uh, paddle. I have a notch there to screw it in. And then from there, it’s a tongue and cheek joint that’s going to basically slip in and out, uh, ideally as quickly as possible.

Uh, from the aspect of using it, I have to determine whether they’re going to do the short serve based on their body language. And so, it is a very unnatural serve that’s very difficult to do. So, they have to. They have to show that their paddle face is going to be more open, and then going forward and back, basically, in order to keep it shorter.

So I can notice it that way. I have it in a way where I keep my paddle under the table while I’m returning the serve, so they don’t know whether it’s in or out. And so they will have to determine whether they want to take risks or not of serving long or serving short. Uh, from there the, that’s where the gamesmanship comes in.

Alison: Okay, now are you leaving that only in for the serve, and then you take it out for the rest of the point?

Ian Seidenfeld: Yeah, so when they do serve short, I’m clicking it in. And then reaching up, and then as I’m moving back, there’s the backwards momentum of it, and I need to shift my left hand, because I’m left handed, back into the normal racket position.

So, as it’s coming back, I have it in normal racket position, and then yank it out with my right hand. Uh, and we’ve kind of come up with different ways to Make that more efficient. How, how

Jill: was it to advocate to get this, uh, um, extension? Uh, how was it to advocate for yourself to get this, um, approved?

Ian Seidenfeld: Yeah, there’s no real process for it.

Uh, it’s really just, I, I was in, in 2019, I was in Spain and Italy in. Before that tournament, on our way in the Netherlands, my dad had broken his leg. And so he wasn’t able to come along for those tournaments. He had to go get shipped back to the US after getting surgery on it. And I was there, so I didn’t have him to advocate for me at the tournament.

And the referee at that tournament disqualified me. Disqualified the extension, basically. He said, you either have to keep it on all the time, which is completely, uh, you can’t play with a two foot extension on your racket. I, I would have if I could. Uh, or not use it at all. And so I was winning a match, 2 0, and then I ended up losing the match because of that ruling that he had made.

And so I really hate that guy for forever.

Alison: We’ll talk later, you let us know who it was, we’ll hate him with you. I will give you all the details,

Ian Seidenfeld: uh, for that. Um, so that’s the start of it. And then, we kind of were trying, we had sent in notes to the IPC, uh, or as well as the ITTF, And it just wasn’t really a big concern for them because it’s really an issue for one.

So why do they care? But then when we get to the Paralympics, it’s still not settled.

Alison: So you could go and you’ve been practicing with this and they could disqualify it still? Yeah,

Ian Seidenfeld: they they would have made any sort of ruling that they wanted at the time. They actually, I mean, basically, my dad did all the heavy lifting.

So I was just sitting in the We were literally had gone to the table and then, uh, I brought it out because I checked it in. There was no formal, like, you should do this or that, but I brought it, I checked it into the, the desk, um, pre match and they saw okay. Along with, ’cause you have to get your

Jill: paddle Yeah.

Approved too. Check every match, right? So same

Ian Seidenfeld: thing there. And so I have to do that now with it after it did get approved. But, uh, I was there. And we had to sit around for like 20 minutes while my dad argued with the tournament referee at the Tokyo Games to get it approved. They ultimately allowed it, uh, for that match.

And then, so I played with it. I have, I won. Uh, and then the next match, we thought it was just approved in general, but we have to check it in every match. So we didn’t approve, we didn’t check it in that next match. And so when I tried to use it in the next match, because the next opponent from Germany tried to do the short serve, and he was very good at it, he, uh, I wasn’t allowed to use it.

So, I was winning, And then he started using the serve. He should have used it the whole time, really. But, then he started using the serve and I barely eked it out, uh, in that match somehow. He got scared of, of what I would do, I guess, with, uh, With the short serve, for whatever reason.

Alison: Yeah, I’m really just holding it in my other hand.

I have to hold it in my other hand. If

Ian Seidenfeld: I threw it away or

Alison: something,

Ian Seidenfeld: it would just be And they There, there’s another thing they’re trying to call it, like a distraction. And so, if I threw it, I think they would really think that’s a distraction, but I’m just holding on to it for the rest of the point. So, it does, I don’t see it as But you’re not

Jill: stabbing yourself with it because, you know, just Yeah, no.

You know what I mean, if one arm goes, the other kind of balances it out, right?

Ian Seidenfeld: Yeah, it’s all pretty, you know, like A lot of times we think of it as a holding a box. So your hands are out here. So a lot of it you’re not touching there. But there is a balance aspect of it. But it’s not major for how I feel.

I don’t feel too bad using it or holding it after the point.

Alison: Now have any other players attempted to use this as well? To sort of work on this, see, like, Oh, I see that. That’s cool. Can I try it?

Ian Seidenfeld: It’s very tough. I mean, we had to go to a woodworker in order to get it made. So it’s tough to just make it. As well as, it’s taken me about four years to get comfortable using it in a match.

Even in Tokyo, that was the first time I had used it in a real match. So, I didn’t even know how it would go then. Uh, and even now, I’m sure if, if, uh, If someone’s really thought about how to play me with it, they can figure out a way to make it very difficult. Uh, but yeah, now that they’ve gone back to the ref, referees have done a, like two different committees on it, made the ruling, and now, uh, I just have to check it in and, and let them know that I’ll use it.

But there’s all stipulations of like, I, I have three or four rackets, like at golf, like clubs. But I’m only allowed to use

Alison: one for the match. Uh, I just put it

Ian Seidenfeld: in my bag. Uh, my, my, a checked bag. And then I don’t, I don’t think about it until the, until it comes up. It really doesn’t come up all that often. Uh, it only in, it’s really only come up in that big,

Alison: Which worked out for you.

Jill: How has it been then with new equipment and having a shorter quad to prepare for, for this Paralympics?

Ian Seidenfeld: Uh, I, I don’t think the, the shorter timeline has affected me too much. I think I’ve been prepared and I, I feel like I’ve gotten better. Um, and I get more time to, I’ve worked with the extension longer.

I So I feel more and more comfortable with it. Uh, I’m in a good position that way but, Uh, I really, I’m not worried about the results, More about having fun and, and I’ve come to terms a lot With the emotional aspect of using the extension Because there’s, there is a bitterness to Having to use this when no one else does, right?

Um, I feel a little bit picked on. But that is how I’ve come to terms with that and, and with the opponents that need to use it, it seems that they, they need to do that in order to win for them. And it, it means a lot to them clearly, uh, to use such a tactic. Okay. They’re giving us the Yeah. And

Jill: we get that.

Perfect. Thank you so much you, Ian. We appreciate it.

Thank you so much, Ian. You can follow all of these athletes on Insta, David is David J Wagner. Liana is Liana, not Maria. Would love to know the story behind that one. And Ian is Ian Seidenfeld.

Keep the Flame Alive Viewing Guide on Kindle Unlimited!

Alison: Have you taken a look at our viewing guides yet?

Jill: I’m working on it. Yes, definitely. So we got a plan. I need that guidebook to plan our schedule.

Alison: So the ebook, The Viewing Guide for Paris 2024 is available on Amazon. And if you have Kindle Unlimited, you can get our guide for free. So we will have links to it in the show notes.

There’s also a link at our website, flamealivepod. com. and check it out. It was a lot of fun to put together and it’s got some fun information and we are adding team event schedules as they come in. So as an ebook, you will get those updates as they are available.

Jill: Yes, and those updates go along for people who purchase a book, but we’ve realized that Kindle Unlimited allows you to rent it for free.

So if you’ve got that, do check it out and read it. Early and often.

Paris 2024 News

Jill: Pourquoi gris? Ooh, that’s a good one. we have some follow up on the podiums that you’ve, you did some work on this.

Alison: So they post, so Paris 2024, their Instagram page posted the video of the design. And so I just made a comment, why is it gray? The rest of this color scheme is really bright. They answered me.

Love it. So here’s what they said, and I’m quoting it. It was also to match with all the colors of the athletes outfits and the look of the games. So they went with gray so that Um, you could focus on all the other colors happening during the medal ceremonies.

Jill: I love that. once you know what that is, it makes it better because the focus should be on the athletes, not necessarily the podium and the podium has got some nice design.

And the medals. I mean, talk about colors you want to see. Bingo. also learned that they’re modular in design, so they can be taken apart and expanded to accommodate teams and single athletes and wheelchairs, as we talked about in our last episode. They are made from a French wood and are we 100 percent recycled plastic, which, you know, as I read this, I don’t understand how those two work in concert, but anyway, they’re, they’re made from recycled plastic as well.

Yeah. Okay.

Alison: The frame, I believe, underneath the plastic is wood and then the plastic is like a topper.

Jill: Okay. Thank you very much. Sad news. We don’t often talk about, individual athletes in the runs up, run up to games because there are thousands of them. But this was really sad news to see. Oksana

Alison: Chusevitsyna is not going to be with it.

Our favorite. Seven time Olympian is it now, or was this going to be eight or nine? I lost count.

She’s competed in eight. Eight time Olympian in gymnastics. was injured prior to her final qualifying event. So we will not see her.

Jill: That’s a real bummer. 48 years old and in gymnastics to be able to have that long of a career is just unbelievable.

She is a complete legend. I don’t know if we’ll ever see anything like that again in, uh, Olympic gymnastics. So it is a, it’s a big bummer that she got injured, but we hope you heal quickly.

Also, if you are thinking about going to the Paralympics, beware that there is an opening ceremony ticket scam out there. Paris 2024 has been informed that there are entities posing as the organizing committee who are offering free tickets to the Paralympics opening ceremony if you pay the postage, so they will mail you pay the postage.

They mail you a ticket. However, remember, there are no paper tickets for the games. So that’s already the big ding ding ding. It’s a scam. And you can only get tickets through the Paris 2024 ticket office. So please do not fall for this. Do not share your personal or bank information with a sender if you think it could be a scam.

And if you’re concerned about whether an email is legitimately from Paris 2024, they say you can contact them at integrityandenforcementatparis2024.


Alison: I would also say, Be careful of other ticketing sites because I have seen tickets pop up on things like Stubhub or other resale sites. You cannot sell or buy tickets through them. It’s only through the official Paris 2024, uh, ticket resale site. So be careful out there. People want to steal from you.

International Olympic Committee News


Jill: little bit of interesting. IOC news for you. The Kyoto news is reporting that Toyota is going to end its top sponsorship with the international Olympic committee after Paris 2024. They have been a top sponsor since 2015. And, , they said, even though we aren’t going to be an IOC sponsor anymore, we would still support and promote athletes in some way.

The Kyoto news said that Toyota wanted to continue its Paralympic sponsorship and the IOC said, no, it’s all or nothing. You have to take both of us or none of us. That’s a little bit interesting tidbit because, you know, we have talked about this on the show, how Toyota has done a lot for accessibility and accessibility in terms of vehicles.

And that’s meant a lot to para athletes.

Alison: This is so funny because this week, my newsletter article was about the Toyota field service robot, and I did not know this. That

Jill: was

Alison: totally by accident. And it

Jill: just came out, too. So, serendipity, if you did not get the newsletter, let us know. And maybe you should sign up for it at our website, flameandlifepod.

com. So, yeah, it’s really interesting. We’ll see what happens. The Kyoto News reports, the sources they talked to said there was a little grumbling inside of Toyota about how the IOC used its sponsorship money, quote, as they believe it is not used effectively to support athletes and promote sports, end quote.



Alison: Welcome to Shookflushton.

Jill: It is the time of the show where we check in with our team, Keep the Flame Alive. These are past guests and listeners of the show who make up our citizenship of Shookflushton.

Alison: Chuck Aoki will appear on the Kelly Clarkson show on May 30th.

Jill: I got to say her, uh, Her being one of the hosts of the opening ceremonies has meant that a lot of athletes are going through.

Alison: Tom Scott is competing at, as we speak in the gold medal match. I just checked the results are not up at, uh, the Pan American tournament in Uruguay. So by the time you hear it, we’ll know. And we will post that on the Facebook group and, and on our Instagram, but Oh, Tom. Go hit people

Jill: and para javelin thrower, uh, Justin Fonks, Yvonne, who we just talked with, uh, finished fourth at the world para athletics championships.

in case you’re interested in, he was third in the start order of about eight people. So it wasn’t sounded like he did not get exactly the position he liked to throw from, but he did throw a season’s best. So good for you for that. And that will do it for this episode. Let us know what you think of this round of Paralympic sports.

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Jill: On Thursday, I think we’re going to look at some team sports from the Olympics. So we will have some media summit tape, I believe from the Olympics. 3×3 and maybe some rugby and maybe also some hockey. We’ll see how it goes. So look in, look forward to some team sport talk with us. Thank you so much for listening.

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