More competitions at the Tokyo 2020 Paralympics are coming to a close, but surprisingly, our Feed Beefs segment is stronger than ever.
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Tokyo 2020 – Paralympics – Day 11
Jill: [00:00:00] Konnichiwa Paralympics fans and lovers of TKFLASTAN, and welcome to Day 11 coverage of the Tokyo 2020 Paralympics on Keep the Flame Alive, podcast for fans of the Olympics and Paralympics. I am your host, Jill Jaracz joined as always by my lovely co-host Alison Brown, Alison, Konnichiwa!
Alison: Konnichiwa! Our time in Japan is almost over.
Jill: It is.
Alison: So much preparation. I can’t imagine how the organizers are feeling.
Jill: I think they’re ready for a nap.
Alison: Fair enough.
Jill: They’re going to sweep the tatami. They’re just going to lie down.
Alison: Disinfect it with the sprayer.
Jill: Part of me is like, oh yeah, things are coming to an end.
Jill: And then part of me is like, oh, things are coming to an end. It’s almost nice that there’s another one in six months.
Alison: It’s scary, but nice.
Jill: Okay. On our followup file, we have a correction, a big correction to make from wheelchair basketball. We said the, in the women’s semi-finals that the US beat China to go to the gold medal match.
Jill: No, that is incorrect. China won. They beat the US 41 to 36. They will be playing Netherlands for gold. USA will be facing Germany.
Jill: And then another bit of follow-up news, we mentioned that wheelchair tennis player Joachim Gerard is, was in the hospital because he fainted unexpectedly. He is recovering well, the Belgium Paris Olympic committee has confirmed, but he is still in the hospital.
Alison: Well, get well soon. That was scary
Jill: Feed beefs. And honest to Pete, I tell you I was 25 minutes away from no feed beefs. And maybe that was because I fast forwarded through most of NBC SN’s coverage today. And I have to give them props for how they dealt with a wheelchair tennis doubles final, because they did the, we’re going to come back to it.
Jill: We’re going to toss it over here. And then we were [00:02:00] going back and then we tossed it over to this sport. And then we go just like, we would expect for an Olympics. It’s like somebody is listening and they heard us.
Alison: Right. Because this morning there were three major events going on at the same time.
Jill: Exactly. And they handled that well, but I still had feed beefs. So do you want to go first?
Alison: Well, you’re already on a roll, so you go ahead.
Jill: Okay. So my, my feed beef started with about 25 minutes to go because they replayed, all of the the swimming finals that the US had medaled in that they had shown earlier in the broadcast.
Jill: So just in case you were waking up and wanted to turn on the TV, instead of turn on whatever you had recorded, we’re going to show it to you again.
Alison: Oh, wait. In the same broadcast?
Jill: Well, it may have, I don’t remember what time of day, but it would have been because all the heats are in the morning in Tokyo and the finals are in the evening.
Jill: So yeah, they showed the heats, they showed the finals and then they showed the finals again later, but then they could add the interview in the mixed zone, which says a whole lot of nothing, but they could add that. And I can guarantee you that I won’t need to watch about an hour of the coverage starting at nine o’clock tonight because they will reshow those again. I would put money down on it. That’s my beef.
Alison: Okay. So my beef came yesterday afternoon when I was going back and watching the Olympic Channel. I said, oh great. They are reairing the wheelchair tennis semifinal between Alfie Hewitt and Tom Egberink, which I think I said yesterday, oh, I wanted to go back and see it. I’m watching it. It’s very exciting. We are five, five in the second set and they say, oh, we’re going to swimming, but you can go to the feed. I go to NBC Olympics match isn’t there.
Alison: Now this is after struggling through [00:04:00] looking at all the tennis replays, because all they’re marked as is day seven court, one day six center court. So it doesn’t tell you who’s playing. And the day is the day of tennis. Not the day of the Paralympics.
Jill: Oh, you’re kidding.
Alison: So day seven of tennis was day eight or nine of the Paralympics.
Alison: We already have enough trouble knowing what day we’re in. But the thing that made me the anger says, you tell me to go to the feed, to go to your website, and it’s not there. And this was not live. So they had time to get this match back up there and it wasn’t there. So all this talk on the NBC broadcast of, oh, if you want to see something specific, go to our streaming site, but the stuff isn’t there.
Jill: Yeah. And it is, it’s horribly organized. It’s really hard to find anything. They just have a Paralympics button and you have to just scroll through all the Paralympic stuff until you find what you want. Whereas in the Olympic coverage, you can go by sport, but this does not do the same thing. It’s really frustrating.
Jill: I did read, did you, I didn’t even know this happened. There was a prime time show, a one hour show on Sunday, like against 60 Minutes or something. I guess it got not so great ratings. I only found out about it because our friend Rich Perlman in The Sports Examiner talked about it, and I went, oh, and what do they expect for one hour of coverage? And I don’t even know. I bet half of that was packages.
Alison: Oh, it had to be. And the fact that they never said that on the NBC S N or Olympic Channel, oh, we’re going to be on the network on this day, is ridiculous. You know, on the Olympic coverage, they advertised their other Olympic coverage.[00:06:00] You know, go to Peacock for this, go to Olympic Channel for this on here.
Alison: It’s like a dirty secret that we’re airing. This, it’s horrible.
Jill: Right. Except for the other thing that happened today was they did a proper show wrap up. I didn’t know what to do with myself. I was like, What? They didn’t cut something off in the middle of an event?
Alison: Like they did in the overnight coverage.
Jill: Yeah, he actually, we wrapped up the show, and I believe they’re doing a highlight show on USA network.
Jill: Don’t quote me on that. But there is going to be like a best of the Paralympics showcase later, which is kind of like, why even bother? Because if somebody gets excited about that, they can’t go and watch it. Why aren’t you doing a best of, I mean, they have the Olympic Gold Zone that they put on before the, they put on between like news and Entertainment Tonight or Jeopardy or whatever you’re watching that little news magazine half-hour show for the Olympics.
Jill: Why aren’t they doing that for the Paralympics? And it doesn’t have to be a news magazine with packages. You could have somebody at a desk, Soviet style, just reading results and showing clips.
Alison: I mean, they’ve got all these packages.
Jill: Yeah. Just keep, I mean, use what you have.
Jill: I don’t know. It’s really frustrating. My other part of the beef is that we watched swimming twice. The same swimming events twice, but, spoiler alerts for later in the show, we got one club throw from silver medalist Cassie Mitchell. And I know all of you throws fans all, go, what else is new? That’s all they show. Get on board with this, Jill, I’m not happy about throws, getting one throw to show. That’s not a competition. And then nothing from the gold medal archery match, which was a) phenomenal and b) involved an American.
Alison: Let’s move on to happier things before we just ruined the whole show.
Jill: Name that commentator .I put on the canoe stream yesterday and found out that the [00:08:00] commentators were Kat Holloway and Andy Barfish. They were very low key.
Alison: It’s funny you say that because I was watching some of the finals, and I thought they were quite poetic and excited, especially Andy barfish.
Jill: They were. I’m sorry. He was, I wish I wrote down some of this stuff he said, but they did go for long stretches of time without talking.
Alison: That’s true.
Jill: That’s the low key part of it. Now it’s time to talk about What Volunteer or Officiating Job You Would Like. What is your job today?
Alison: So I mentioned yesterday, how there was, or maybe two days ago, there was the water bottle delivery person, I think at athletics. Well, it seems like these water bottle delivery people are at all events.
Alison: I saw today at canoe sprint, a man, poor thing covered in his little plastic poncho, bringing a little milk crate to each boat, just filled with bottles of water. And I thought to myself, How much water is this poor canoeist going to drink? But that’s fine. And he came by, and then one of the women who did it sat down next to the boat and applauded for one of the medalists.
Alison: So she delivered the water and gave them a little cheer. I said, oh good. They don’t have to be quiet. They can say congratulations. They can applaud. They can do all those things. So then I liked it better. Excellent. And I love a good milk crate.
Alison: Takes me back to elementary school.
Jill: I’m back at the cycling road event. And I had seen this a couple of days before, and I needed a confirmation of what they were doing. Cause I, I saw it and I said, that’s the job. I could do. You know, at the finish line, they have a big chute. All of the walls are kind of broken off from the rest of the stuff and the athletes just ride down a chute and, but they have to get off the chute somehow.
Jill: And there is a break in the partition cause it’s just like metal fencing [00:10:00] parts. And they wrap it in Tokyo 20 20 banners. But there’s a place where they open it up and there’s a guide there who waves them through. They’re like, over here, this is how you get back to your pit or to the side or off the track. I would like that job.
Alison: Do they have a flag?
Jill: They did not have a flag. I think flags are official stuff. You just have to use your hand signals, which I enjoy a good hand signal too.
Alison: You could wave your clipboard for added emphasis.
Jill: Don’t need a clipboard. I’m not checking people off. I’m just telling them here’s how you get off the track because you’ve been riding for a long time. And I know there’s nowhere else to go.
Alison: Jill, you always need a clipboard.
Jill: I have one now.
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Jill: Today’s action started with archery men’s individual recurve open. Oh my goodness. Put on the feed for this.
Jill: These medal matches were amazing. Not on TV. Bronze was between India’s Harvinder Singh and Korea’s Kim Min Su. They had to go to a tiebreaker shoot off. One arrow decides this, and Harvinder Singh won and also won India’s first Paralympic archery medal.
Jill: Then we moved to the gold medal match, which was between American Kevin Mather and Zhao Lixue from China. And Mather wins the first two sets, pretty handily and goes up four points to zero. And in the second set of that, Zhao shot a two. So, he’s got to overcome that. Mathers is thinking this is in the bag, or at least the commentators are thinking, this is in the bag. He just has one more set.
Jill: Okay. They tie in the third. So the set points get divided. One point to one point. So now it’s five to one. Mather needs one set point to win, and there’s two more sets. Zhao won set four. So now we’re at five, three. And we have to go to the last set. If Mather wins, he wins it. If Zhao wins, it’s tied. We have to go to a shootoff again. Zhao starts off with a 10. This is like the first 10 of the whole match. Mathers hits a nine. So now he’s behind. Zhao hits a nine. Mathers hits a 10. So now they’re tied again. Xiao hits another 10. Mathers needs a nine to tie so that they split the set points, and he gets the nine [00:14:00] right on the line.
Jill: They have to go measure it. It’s just barely a victory.
Alison: As you’re talking, I’m getting nervous.
Jill: It was an incredible match and it was just fantastic archery. If you can find it on the feed, find it on the feed and watch it. It’s great. So to wrap it up, gold goes to Kevin Mather from the USA.
Jill: Silver goes to Zhao Lixue from China. And bronze goes to Harvinder Singh from India.
Jill: Moving over to athletics. We’ll start with the throws. We had the women’s club throw F 51. It’s a seated class, and the throwers have a high level of disability to the leg, trunk, and hands. Gold went to Zoia Ovsii from Ukraine, who set a Paralympic record.
Jill: Silver went to Cassie Mitchell, who set an area record. She’s from the USA and lovely throw, I have to say. I would love to have seen more.
Alison: The one throw that you saw.
Jill: Yes. And bronze went to Elena Gorlova from RPC and she got a personal best.
Jill: We had two more ShotPut contests today. The men had the F 57 class, which is moderate disability to both feet, including the absence of feet or a low degree of disability to one leg.
Jill: Gold went to Thiago Paulino dos Santos from Brazil with a Paralympic record. Silver went to Wu Guoshan from China with an area record ,and bronze went to Marco Aurelio Borges from Brazil. In the women’s ShotPut, we had a combined F 11 F 12 class final. These are visually impaired athletes. Gold went to Safiya Burkhanova from Uzbekistan. Silver went to Assunta Legnante from Italy, and bronze went to Rebecca Valenzuela Alvarez from Mexico.
Jill: In javelin. We had two throwing competitions, one men, one women. Men had the F [00:16:00] 53/ 54 class. This is a seated class with a high degree of disability to the legs and trunk. Gold went to Iran, Hamed Amiri with a Paralympic record.
Jill: Silver went to Aleksei Kuznetsov from RPC with an area record, and bronze went to Justin Phongsavanh from USA.
Jill: They did talk with him and I think they showed a throw ,cause they also did a package on him as well. And he said that the competition for this was really stiff, and lots of athletes were getting their best throws by like two and three meters. So he said, he thought this was the best competition in this class in its history.
Jill: In the women’s F 46 class, athletes are moderately affected in both forearms or one arm, including the absence of an arm. Gold went to Holly Robinson from New Zealand. Silver went to Noelle Roorda from Netherlands with a personal best. And bronze went to Hollie Arnold from Great Britain.
Alison: Go silver ferns!
Jill: Exactly. In the men’s discus throw F 37 final. This is the only discus competition we have today. It’s a moderate degree of disability on one side. Gold went to Haidre Ali from Pakistan with a personal best. First time we’ve heard Pakistan.
Alison: I think so.
Jill: Yeah. Silver went to Mykola Zhabnyak from Ukraine and bronze went to Joao, Victor Texeira de Souza from Brazil.
Jill: In jumps. We had one men’s high jump and two women’s long jump competitions. For the men it was the T 64 high jump, but this was a mixed class. So we had a moderate disability or an absence of a leg below the knee. Gold went to Jonathan Broome-Edwards from Great Britain. Silver went to Kumar Praveen from India, who got an area record, and bronze went to Maciej Lepiato from Poland.
Jill: For the women’s long jump, we had the T [00:18:00] 47 class. And this also was a mix of several disabilities affecting one arm or both forearms. Gold went to Anna Grimaldi from New Zealand.
Alison: Go, Silver Ferns!
Jill: Silver went to Aleksandra Moguchaia from RPC, and bronze went to Kiara Rodriguez from Ecuador, who got an area record.
Jill: And then we had the T20 class, which is intellectual disabilities. Gold went to Karolina Kucharczyk from poland with the Paralympic record, silver went to Aleksandra Ruchina from RPC, and bronze went to Mikela Ristoski from Croatia. I’m very curious to see in Paris, if they’re going to have the same number of records.
Alison: The records have been insane on this track. And I know the commentator Chris Waddell was talking about how this stadium is so new and they incorporated so much technology into the track and into the field that he thinks is what’s allowed all these records.
Jill: Moving over to the track. We had three 100 meter races. We start with the women’s T 64 class. This is a mix of disabilities or absence of one leg below the knee. Gold went to a Marlene van Gansewinkel from Netherlands with a Paralympic record for the T 64 class. Silver went to Irmgard Bensusan from Germany who set a Paralympic record for the T 44 class. And bronze went to Marissa Papaconstantinou from Canada, who got a personal best.
Jill: For the men. we had two wheelchair classes. So the first one was a class with significant disability, two arms and hands. It’s the T 51 class. Gold went to Peter Genyngin from Belgium with a Paralympic record. Silver went to Toni Piispanen from Finland, and bronze went to Roger Habsch from Belgium.
Jill: And in the T 52 class, this is a class with low to moderate disability to the [00:20:00] arms and hands. Gold went to Raymond Martin from USA. Silver went to Oya Yuki from Japan, and bronze went to Leonardo de Jesus Perez Juarez.
Jill: This was a good race.
Alison: That was a good race. Raymond Martin did not start well. And then all of a sudden came just charging through and you, it surprised me in a, such a short distance, cause it’s only a hundred, how that switched, but man, that was fast. And I did find out bouncing is bad.
Jill: Oh, okay. That’s good to know.
Alison: Chris Waddell was very helpful. Very helpful today, Chris Waddell. Thank you. Said that bouncing, you lose time.
Jill: Okay. Because you want that contact with the surface?
Alison: Right. Because if the wheel is on the surface, then you’re gaining speed. If you’re bouncing, then it’s adding distance to how far you have to travel because you’re going up and down and forward.
Jill: Interesting. And I know Oya Yuki tried really hard because it was another, you could tell, not my house, but just couldn’t. Raymond Barton just really sped away with that one.
Jill: There was one race in the 200 meter distance for men in the T 61 class. This is a running blades class where athletes are missing both legs above the knees. Gold went to Ntando Mahlangu from South Africa. Silver went to Richard Whitehead from Great Britain, and bronze went to Ali Lacin from Germany.
Jill: In the men’s 400 T 62 class, which is another running blades class, but this time it’s absence of both legs below the knees. Gold went to Johnnes Floors from Germany. Silver went to Olivier Hendricks from Netherlands, and bronze went to Hunter Woodall from the USA.
Jill: And we had two races in the 1500 meters. Both men and women T20 intellectual disability class. For [00:22:00] the men, gold went to Owen Miller from Great Britain. Silver went to Alexandr Rabotnitskii from RPC, and bronze went to Ndiaga Die ng from Italy.
Jill: For the women, gold went to Barbara Bieganowska-Zajac from Poland. Silver went to Liudmyla Danyli na from Ukraine, and bronze went to Hannah Taunton from Great Britain.
Jill: And then finally we had the four by 100 meter universal relay. Did you watch this?
Alison: I have not seen this yet.
Jill: Oh, go ahead. It’s fun. It’s a, this is a it’s a mixed relay, so everyone’s doing a hundred, but it’s a combination of classes. So you can have a, China had a visually impaired runner. I think they had the only visually impaired runner on the track. You can have a mix of disabilities, but you have to end with a wheelchair.
Alison: Are they doing a traditional Baton handoff?
Jill: No, you tap. You tap.
Jill: And so gold went to the USA, set a world record. Close behind was China, who got disqualified. I don’t know what rule 7. 10.4 is, but there was some kind of infringement somewhere. They did the replay to show it, and there was one of the beach umbrellas in the way of where the infraction was. So even the commentators were stymied. And then so that meant Great Britain moved up to silver and got an area record. And bronze went to Japan. And Tatyana McFadden was the closer for the US, and she was going very fast, but the Chinese wheelchair athlete was almost caught her. It was incredible.
Alison: I think that means that’s number 20 for Tatyana McFadden, Paralympic medals. Man, she’s amazing.
Jill: Okay. Moving over to badminton. A lot of group play happened. Some quarterfinals happen. Some semifinals happened, a bunch of [00:24:00] classes. We’re still keeping an eye on that. I did see some on the NBC coverage. Did you see this?
Alison: I did see some. I did not see the wheelchair class. I saw a standing match. So maybe I was watching Olympic Channel. I don’t even know what I’m watching anymore because I just turn stuff on and watch what I can find.
Jill: Right. And then you go, Ooh, they’re showing badminton! And then you just watch and go, oh, that was nice. And I have no context to put any of this in, but you learn a little bit about how it works. Is there anything different about the standing, or what did you see?
Alison: I don’t know what I saw because they didn’t have the names on the graphic. They barely said anything, but it seems like with standing badminton, it’s like Olympic badminton. You, if you like it and you know, what’s happening, you’ll get it. Which is what I hope because they didn’t tell me anything.
Jill: I saw part of a wheelchair match between Chan Ho Yuen from Hong Kong and Kajiwara Daiki from Japan, and in wheelchair badminton, they only use half the court. So you only move the chair forward and backward. There’s not really, you don’t have to do a whole lot of lateral movement. And it was cool. Rallies were really long. So that was pretty interesting. I think that’s because of that element of just going back and forth. Kajiwara won this match. It was a group play match. He won two to one.
Jill: Boccia’s going on again, and I don’t think we’re going to see much of it for, I mean, we only have a couple of days left. Maybe we’ll see the ends of this. I don’t know. We are in pairs and team competition. The pairs has a couple of classes. They have the BC three class, which affects movement moderately in the trunk and to a high degree in the limbs. One of the players on the team must have cerebral palsy. Yeah, it’s an interesting stipulation. And then for this class, the players use the ramp [00:26:00] to direct the ball. And then the BC four class has a wide range of coordination skills from moderate to high in various areas of the body. This could include absence of limbs. This is one of the classes where fatigue is a big issue. So the pair may be any type of impairment in BC for class. So for the pairs we’re down to semi-finals, it will be Greece versus Japan, and Hong Kong versus Korea in the BC three class. And in the BC four class, it will be Slovakia versus RPC, and Hong Kong versus Portugal.
Jill: Then in the team competition, we have a mixed BC one and BC two class. And this is for where athletes who have poor trunk and sitting balance to varying degrees teams consist of three players. They must have at least one BC one player on their team on the court, and that is the highest degree of impairment in this sport. So the semi-finals will be China versus Portugal and Japan versus Thailand. I hope we get to see some of it somewhere along the way.
Alison: You may end up with a gold medal match? You hope?
Jill: I know. I was just going to say, what are they going to do now that swimming is over, but swimming isn’t over for NBCSN. Cause it’ll just show it again tonight and probably another night as well.
Alison: And they’ve got that track relay that they can show at least six times.
Jill: Over to canoe sprint. We had some medal races today. We had the K class, which is kayak and it’s a double bladed paddle. And then we had the V class, which is a va’a boat, and that is new for Tokyo. It’s a longer boat with an outrigger attached, and the athletes use a single blade paddle on one side of the boat.
Alison: What I think is funny is they call this canoe sprint, but there aren’t actually any canoes. There’s no c class. Like there is in Olympics. You know, cause since that’s called canoe sprint [00:28:00] so that people would understand it’s very similar, but I thought that was just sort of an odd quirk in the classes.
Alison: These were some great races though.
Jill: Yeah they were. So we had the men’s K one, 200 meter distance, highly affected in the trunk and legs. Gold went to Peter Kiss from Hungary, who got a personal best. Silver went to Luis Carlos Cardoso da Silva from Brazil, and bronze went to Remy Bouille from France. Peter Kiss was pretty amazing.
Alison: And he was pretty excited at the end. It was really sweet. When he reached that spot where he got a whole milk crate of water, he’s embracing his coach and he’s sobbing. And he’s a good looking kid, and that made it even sweeter that he’s got the smile, but he’s sobbing. So that’s a fun race to watch and it’s good kayaking
Jill: And Hungarians keeping on the tradition of their strength in this.
Alison: They love their water sports.
Jill: In the K L two. All of these races are 200 meters. Moderate degree of disability to both legs or the absence of legs. Gold went to Curtis McGrath from Australia. Silver went to Mykola Syniuk from Ukraine, and bronze went to Federico Mancarella from Italy.
Jill: In the men’s K L three 200 meter race, moderate disability to one leg, or the absence of one leg gold went to Serhil Yemelianov from Ukraine. Silver went to Leonid Kyrlov from RPC, and bronze went to Robert Oliver from Great Britain.
Jill: One of these races. And I forgot to mark down. Maybe it was a, B final. They had a false start. Did you see that one?
Alison: I did not see that. So that must’ve been in the B finals.
Jill: Right. And they have like sirens and lights for every lane [00:30:00] because it just went woo. It’s like, oh my goodness. What’s going on? Someone’s trying to steal a canoe.
Alison: Well, we know those canoes ain’t cheap. So, we got to protect them.
Jill: And I know they’re kayaks, but still there could be a canoe around someone’s trying to get it.
Jill: Yeah, every lane had its own little sensor. And they didn’t disqualify anybody. And that didn’t yellow card anybody. I guess maybe it was just a little sensitive, cause you couldn’t really tell who jumped. But that was funny. Like, oh, I am learning something about how this race is organized.
Jill: And the women’s VL two class, 200 meter singles. This is for moderate to significant disability in both legs or the absence of both legs and the addition of massive muscles to your biceps and triceps. Wow! These women! Gold went to Emma Wiggs from Great Britain, who got her personal best. Silver went to Susan Seipel from Australia, and bronze went to Jeanette Chippington from Great Britain.
Alison: This was a fun race. And what made it the most fun for me is at the end Emma Wiggs is screaming to Jeanette Chippington.
Jill: Oh, yes.
Alison: As they both pull in like, yeah, you got the bronze and Jeanette Chippington is sort of, she’s excited, but she’s like, wait a second, Emma, you just got the gold. Stop cheering for me. It was a wonderful British moment where everyone’s like, yay for the other person and the other one: no, it’s fine. And Emma Wiggs is just thanking everybody and sobbing and saying how amazing they are. And it’s just a great race to watch. There’s a very tight finish for third, second, third and fourth.
Jill: Yes, because Emma was just way far ahead. You just looked at the stroke rates and people are like stroke, and Emma’s like stroke, stroke, stroke, and you just didn’t know how she could [00:32:00] move her arms that fast and push the water because that’s hard to do, but you saw the biceps and triceps, and you understood how she could push the water. Emma Wiggs is a crossover athlete. She used to play sitting volleyball, and now switched to para canoe.
Alison: And she’s tiny. She’s only five, two there’s hope for us old tiny people. Cause she’s in her forties too, man.
Jill: In the road cycling event, we have a followup from yesterday. The mixed team H class relays do not need to have a woman on the team and only half the teams included female riders. That was one of the points. If I don’t remember if it’s in the show. But we did wonder if teams needed to have a woman on it, and they did not.
Jill: So today we had the men’s C class four and five road race. These are traditional bicycles. Athletes have a low degree of disability on one side or both legs or moderate disability or absence of one leg. The race is 92.4 kilometers long gold went to Kevin Le Cunff from France. Silver went to Yehor Dementyev from Ukraine, and bronze went to Gabriel Daniel Abraham from Netherlands.
Jill: For the women’s C one to three race, also on traditional bicycles, varying degrees of disability to the limbs and trunk. So this race uses a time factoring system where time’s added in in varying amounts to those athletes who have less degrees of disabilities. They ride a 39.6 kilometer race. Gold went to Sugiura Keiko from Japan. Silver went to Anna Beck from Sweden, and bronze went to Paige Greco from Australia. Yeah.
Alison: The photo finish on this for spots two, three, and four. When I say photo finish, I mean, inches. [00:34:00] It was tight. And when they show the picture afterwards, I still looking at the photo of the photo finish. Couldn’t parse out.
Jill: Wow. Incredible. So, Sugiura, she’s a pharmacist. She has three children. She took up cycling after Rio. And I wonder if it was like, oh, I see this, and, oh, I fit into this sport, and Paralympics coming to Japan. Why don’t I try it?
Jill: And the feed announcers, these are OBS announcers actually said she’s, as she’s getting ready to cross the finish line, they just went into their bag of phrases: “And so she’s been working for this all her life.” I just went, You just said she didn’t take up cycling until after Rio.
Alison: Yeah. She’s one of those Paralympians who didn’t know about all these sports, saw it in Rio and said, I’m athletic. I do that. And now I can be a competitive athlete in a way that I never knew I could. And I think we’ll be seeing a lot of that again.
Jill: Yes. With the increased exposure and television coverage, I think you’re right. We’re going to see more of more athletes who realize that they have a place or people who realize that they can be athletic.
Jill: And then we had the men’s and women’s B road races. This is for visual impairments. The women rode 92.4 kilometers, and the men rode 118.8 kilometers. For the women, gold went to Katie-George Dunlevy with her pilot Eve McCrystal, and they’re from Ireland. Silver went to Sophie Unwin with pilot, Jenny Holl. They are from Great Britain. And bronze went to Louise Jannering and her pilot Anna Vaerdstroem from Sweden.
Jill: For the [00:36:00] men, gold went to Vincent ter Schure from Netherlands with pilot Timo Fransen. Silver went to Tristan Bangma with his pilot Patrick Bos. They are also from the Netherlands. And bronze went to Alexandre Lloveras with pilot Corentin Ermenault from France.
Alison: So many crashes in this race.
Jill: Really? I did not get to see this one.
Alison: So the B class race started after the C classes races, and it was raining again and foggy, and there was this one turn that had some blue paint on it, I guess, as a marker and three teams that I saw wiped out on that turn.
Alison: And the announcer said, oh, there’s something about the paint that makes it difficult because you’re transitioning from one road surface to another. And they were catching this paint. The other problem that they were talking about was that a lot of the teams didn’t have the proper wheels for the conditions.
Alison: They didn’t bring them. Or it’s so complicated to switch the wheels out that they couldn’t switch it out. Like it’s a several hour process. And then there’s adhesive that has to dry over a couple of days. So you can’t just swap out the wheels. So even teams that had certain wheels couldn’t necessarily use them.
Jill: Do we know whether this is particular to Paralympic?
Alison: This is particular to the tandem bike.
Jill: Oh, okay. That’s interesting.
Alison: Right. So there’s something about the way the tandem bike is structured. That changing the wheels is extremely difficult and changing the type of wheel because it’s not just, you swap out a tire, you actually have to make adjustments to other parts of the bike when [00:38:00] you change the type of tire.
Jill: Okay. And yes, I can imagine they have… It was cold yesterday, and it should have mentioned this in the canoe portion, because it was like 20 degrees Celsius, which was, they said, this is not the weather that they were preparing for because it was cold. It was rainy. It was foggy. And yeah, I bet they all brought hot weather tires, and once you lose that heat, but you still have the humidity, what kind of tires you need? Oh, that’s really interesting.
Alison: And then there was the issue again in the B class of keep your glasses on, take your glasses off. So both for the sighted riders and the visually impaired riders, a lot of them wear goggles to protect from things flying up and hitting you in the face.
Alison: And then for the sighted pilots, they also protect their vision. But they couldn’t see out of them because of the fog and the rain, but you take them off and you risk getting things flung in your face. And also not being able to see because now your face is all wet. So these were rough conditions for these riders.
Alison: Oh, what a day. That’s really earning your medal right there.
Alison: Moving over to goalball.
Alison: Shall I sing the one song they seem to play at every break? So clearly they fired the DJ that was going to be there if crowds were there. So they only have one song that they play on repeat. Some awful Imagine Dragons that I liked the first time I heard it, but the 47th time, I heard the first 15 seconds of the song, because they don’t keep going, they just start it from the beginning every time. Kind of losing my mind a little bit.
Jill: It’s “Believer.” And I, honest to Pete, I woke up this morning and that song was in my head.
Alison: How could it not [00:40:00] be?
Jill: It just was like, and then I was like, Goalball. Got to go and see it. Goal ball.
Alison: You were writing your own song there.
Jill: Yes, exactly. So we had the last day of goalball, and this has been so much fun to watch. For the women’s bronze medal match, Japan beat Brazil, six to one. So host country getting on the podium. Then for the gold medal match, Turkey beat the US nine to two. And Turkey’s star Sevda k, scored all of their goals. All nine of them. They had six goals in the first half. Sevda scored those. There was a penalty shot. She took it. She made it. She’s just their star and is amazing. USA just couldn’t come back. But their star, Amanda Dennis did not play in this match. And we don’t know why. We can’t find anything about this match. Really.
Alison: We talked about this yesterday, where they had that extremely long match with Brazil. I wonder if she was just so fatigued.
Jill: Fatigue or got some kind of injury that we don’t know about, and they didn’t want to talk about it to not to give the rest of the team hope, and also not let Turkey in on that, but it was really interesting and the feed commentators– our favorite Lisa O’Sullivan noticed, and she kept saying, Amanda Dennis is not playing. She’s wearing her vision glasses. Her eyes were not taped up and things like that. So there was the clue that she was not going to be on the court that day, but nobody knew why. And of course, you know, that’s, they’re not reporters. They don’t go and find that information out. They just comment on what they’re seeing on the court.
Alison: But team USA had not released any information either?
Alison: Yeah. We’ll see if that changes in the next 24 hours
Jill: But I’m sure we’ll probably see this on the early coverage as [00:42:00] well, because it was a big deal, and USA did improve their medal position from Rio. So this is a huge accomplishment, and they’ve really worked hard over the last five years to update their strategy. They lost some players. So it’s a new team that they’ve put together and it’s, they’ve done a great job.
Jill: For the men. USA was in the bronze medal match, but they lost to Lithuania ten to seven.
Jill: I thought this was going to go the way of the first match with Lithuania, but the US did try to work their way back. They just didn’t have enough time to do so.
Jill: And then in the gold medal match, Brazil beat China seven to two.
Alison: And China just seemed to give up. It was hard. And Lisa was getting very frustrated with China. She was saying things like that. You do realize you are five goals behind? Yeah, both of the announcers were just getting frustrated because by the second half it was just, it, China had stopped pushing. They were so far behind that it was just, oh, we can’t catch up. So, and that’s disappointing to see that’s disappointing to see any match, but in a gold medal match, especially.
Jill: It’s not necessarily that far behind. We have seen some amazing comebacks, and you can win five goals in five throws really, and throws are quick. You only have 10 seconds to throw the ball. So there’s a lot of back and forth. You have plenty of time in a half.
Alison: One of the officials, the quiet please official, getting very upset with the Brazilian fans at the end of the match because the Brazilian women came to the men’s match.
Alison: He was saying quiet, please, in languages I have never heard. He’s like, I’m just going to try it in every language and hope these people quiet down. Cause this is not okay.
Jill: If they don’t quiet down to his voice, it’s just put on the Imagine [00:44:00] Dragons. That’ll shut everybody up.
Jill: Moving over to shooting. We had the women’s and men’s 50 meter rifle, three positions for the sh one class competition today. This class, the athletes can support the rifle on their own and have disabilities to the legs. They usually are in a sitting position for this. So for the women, gold went to Zhang Cuiping from china with a Paralympic record. Silver went to Natassha Hiltrop from Germany, and bronze went to Avani Lekhara from India.
Jill: For the men, gold went to Abdulla Sultan Alaryani from United Arab Emirates. Silver went to Laslo Suranji from Serbia, and bronze went to Shim Youngjip from Korea.
Jill: In sitting volleyball. We had the women’s seventh and eighth place classification. Rwanda beat Japan, three to zero for this, and our Sitting Volleyball Correspondent brittany said that not only did Rwanda win their first game ever in the Paralympics, but took their first set and match ever. And this is their second time in the Paralympics. So that was a nice little tidbit.
Jill: And fifth and sixth place, fifth place went to RPC. They beat Italy 3-1.
Jill: And then we had the semi-finals China beat Canada, three to zero, and USA beat Brazil, three to zero.
Jill: We saw a little bit of that match. That was pretty fun.
Jill: Correspondent Brittany also did a little digging into the history of sitting volleyball in the Paralympics because the announcers kept saying like, oh, this is the first appearance for the women in of RPC and Italy in the Paralympics.
Jill: And she thought, Well, that’s really weird. These are two pretty powerhouse countries, and checked it out. Women’s sitting volleyball has only been the, in the [00:46:00] Paralympics since 2004. And volleyball had been in the Paralympics since 1976 and they had two types. They had a standing and a sitting, but when they brought in the women’s competition, they took away the standing class for the men.
Jill: Moving over to swimming. Last day, technically. For Tokyo, it’s the last day of swimming.
Alison: We may be seeing these races in October.
Jill: So first we had a few individual medley races. They were all 200 meters in distance. First off we had the SM 10 class for men and women. This is a low level of disability to one leg or moderate to the hip area or both feet or the absence of one foot for the men.
Jill: Gold went to a Maksym Krypak from Ukraine with a Paralympic record. Silver went to Stefano Raimondi from Italy, and bronze went to Bas Takken from Netherlands. For the women, it was Chantalle Zijderveld from Netherlands, who got a world record. Silver went to Bianka Pap from Hungary, and bronze went to Lisa Krueger from the Netherlands.
Alison: And Chantalle Zijderveld just blew everybody out of the water in this race. It was no joke.
Jill: And in the women’s SM five class, this is a moderate disability to the full body, high disagree of high degree of disability to the trunk and legs, or the absence of multiple limbs. Gold went to Lu Dong from China. Silver went to Cheng Jiao from China, and bronze went to Monica Boggioni from Italy.
Jill: We had a few races in backstroke. So first distance is 50 meters. The S four class for both men and women. This is significant disability to the legs and trunk or an absence of multiple limbs for the men. Roman Zhdanov from RPC won gold and a world record. Silver went to Arnost Petacek [00:48:00] from Czech Republic, and bronze went to Angel de Jesus Camacho Ramirez from Mexico.
Jill: For the women, gold went to Liu Yu from China, who got a world record. Silver went to Zhou Yanfei from China, and bronze went to Alexandra Stamatopoulou from Greece.
Jill: In the 100 meter backstroke S six class, which is our hodgepodge of disabilities. For the men, gold went to Jia Hoongguang from China. Silver went to Matias de Andrade from Argentina, and bronze went to Dino Sinovcic from Croatia.
Jill: And for the women, gold went to Elizabeth Marks from the USA, who got a world record. Silver went to Jiang Yuyan from China, and bronze went to Verena Schott from Germany.
Jill: It’s interesting because I think Elizabeth Marks might’ve been in another race in this session. She may have been, she may have not been, but there was another race where she came in like fourth or fifth. And it’s funny because the USA broadcasters always seem like, okay, you won one race. You’re definitely getting a medal in every other race you’re competing in. And it seems like for some of the swimmers, like fatigue is a real issue.
Alison: Yeah, they do an Olympics as well. They do a lot of races. They did this to Katie Ladecky in the Olympics where it was, she had multiple races in a day and you know, she was going to do the Michael Phelps win gold medals and everything, but number one, that’s not realistic. And number two, that’s not what the competition planned for in the sense of, you know, somebody else has the world record. Somebody else is actually a better swimmer in this race. Just because they’re doing multiple races doesn’t mean they deserve a whole collection.
Alison: And it’s an announcer’s thing. It’s not a swimmer’s thing.
Jill: Exactly. And that’s, I think what’s frustrating. And I think they’re [00:50:00] looking for the easy story. Oh, we have one star in the pool. Okay, great. We can jump onto that.
Jill: Moving over to butterfly. We had a number of races in butterfly, too. Starting with the S8 class, which is a low level of disability to the whole body, moderate degree of disability to legs, high degree of disability to one arm or the absence of one arm or both legs above the knee for the men. Gold went to Robert Griswold from the USA. Silver went to Yang Feng from China, and bronze went to Denis Dubrov from Ukraine.
Jill: For the women, gold went to Jessica Long from the US. Silver went to Vicktoriia Ischiulova from RPC ,and bronze went to Laura Carolina Gonzalez Rodriguez from Colombia. And oh, NBC was so happy that two Americans won gold and this, it was, you know, nice and good for them.
Jill: They swam really great races. Jessica Long is just an amazing butterflier. But again, with the easy story, yes, the American take is, it gets old.
Jill: Then we moved up to a men’s 100 meter butterfly, S 11 class, which is visual impairment. And they also had an S 12 race for men in this distance. That’s also visual impairment. In the S 11 class, gold went to Kimura Keiichi from Japan. Silver went to Tomita Uchu from Japan, and bronze went to Wendell Belarmino Pereira from Brazil. And for the S 12 class, gold went to Raman Salei from Azerbaijan. Silver went to Stephen Clegg from Great Britain, and bronze went to Roman Makarov from RPC.
Jill: And then we had our splash and dash. In the 50 meter butterfly for the S seven class, which is another hodgepodge of disabilities. For the women, gold went to Danielle Dorris from Canada. Silver went to Mallory Weggemann from USA. [00:52:00] Bronze went to Giulia Terzi from Italy.
Jill: For the men. Gold went to Evan Austin from USA. Silver went to Andrii Trusov from Ukraine, and bronze went to Carlos Daniel Serrano Zarate from Colombia.
Jill: Then we had freestyle. First was a women’s 100 meter freestyle for the S 11 total visual impairment class. Gold went to Li Guizhi from China. Silver went to Lisa Bruinsma from Netherlands, and bronze went to Cai Liwen from China.
Jill: And the men had the 200 meter freestyle for the S three class, which is a high degree of impairment to legs and trunk, or the absence of multiple limbs. Gold went to Denys Ostapchenko from Ukraine. Silver went to Diego Lopez Diaz from Mexico, and bronze went to Jesus Hernandez Hernandez from Mexico.
Jill: And we closed out the competition with the men’s four by 100 medley, relay 34 points, which means that the combination of the number value of the class, cannot total more than 34 points. Gold went to RPC. Silver went to Australia, and bronze went to in Italy. And I saw the women’s version of this race, couple times, maybe? I know it at least once, because this was the first time that the US women had won it since like 2004. So it was a big deal.
Alison: Everyone loves the relay. I do love swimming relays. They’re fun. I don’t know why I liked them better than the track relays. I don’t know why. I think the track relays, I find the baton pass stressful. So I’m glad to hear that in Paralympics, they don’t have the baton.
Jill: Yes. I would agree with you that, that, and that’s where most of the relay problems happen is bad baton passes. So I liked the touching. I almost wish that Olympic athletics would think about getting rid of the baton and going to [00:54:00] touching.
Alison: Though touching would have been bad this year. COVID.
Jill: Yeah. Yeah. That’s true. That’s true. In table tennis, we ended up a lot of men’s and women’s team competitions. We will start with the men. Oh. And. And China cleaned up at most of them, except for two.
Jill: So the men’s team M one to two classes, a locked wheelchair class, and the bats are strapped to the athletes’ hands. Gold went to France. Silver went to Korea, and bronzes went to Poland and Slovakia. And the reason China didn’t win is because they did not have a team in this class.
Jill: In the MT six and seven, it’s a standing class and players have varying disabilities that cause slow movement around the table. Gold went to China. Silver went to Great Britain and bronzes went to Spain and Germany.
Jill: And then in the men’s MT nine and 10 class, it’s a standing class with low degree of disability to forearm or one leg or the absence of a leg below the knee or a forearm. Gold went to China. Silver went to Australia, and bronzes went to Nigeria and Ukraine.
Jill: For the women, we had the also the nine and 10 class event. Gold went to Poland. Silver went to Australia, with our MillieTapper, and bronzes went to Brazil and China.
Alison: At the end of the Poland Australia match, the announcer said, “It’s Partyka time,” because the Polish player’s name was Partyka, which sounds really cheesy that I’m repeating it. But at the time it was quite cute and kind of clever in that dad joke kind of way.
Jill: I thought this was interesting because I didn’t quite know how the teams were made up. It’s a doubles game first, then [00:56:00] a singles match. And then if they have a tiebreaker need, there’s another singles match. Well, for Australia, we had a doubles team and then one of the doubles team members played singles as well. And that was the woman who had beat Millie earlier in the singles tournament. And Millie was our tiebreaker game.
Jill: Poland only had two players. They played everything. So they had one play doubles and singles, and then the other was going to be the singles tiebreaker. It was kind of interesting how that worked out, but they beat everyone quite handily.
Jill: I wondered if, after the doubles match, if Qian from Australia, if she had been tired, if they could have swapped Millie in and said, could you do this? But I don’t know if that’s set or not.
Jill: And then finally we had the women’s team WT four to five class. It’s a wheelchair class that allows for some movement to the chair, and players may reach while they hold on to the chair. Gold went to China, silver went to Sweden and bronzes went to Great Britain and Serbia.
Jill: In TaeKwonDo. I was so excited. Okay. They did show a couple of points on TaeKwonDo on some coverage. They showed something. And then I was on Twitter, and I saw a video of the beginning of a TaeKwonDo match.
Jill: And by, beginning of the TaeKwonDo match, I mean them coming out of the backstage area and being led onto the playing area. And then the video ended. I was just like, why? Just show me some TaeKwonDo!
Alison: No TaeKwonDo for you!
Jill: For the women’s 58 kilos, gold went to Lisa Gjessing from Denmark. Silver went to Beth Munro from Great Britain, and bronze went to Silvana Mayara Cardoso Fernandes from Brazil and also Li Yujie from China.
Jill: In the men’s 75 kilos class, gold went to [00:58:00] Juan Diego Garcia Lopez from Mexico. Silver went to Mahdi Pourrahnamaahmagourabi from Iran, and bronzes went to Juan Samorano from Argentina and Joo Jeong Hun from Korea.
Jill: In wheelchair basketball. We had a classification for the men seventh and eighth place. Seventh went to Germany who beat Canada, 68 to 56.
Jill: Then we had the women’s playoff for fifth and sixth place, Canada beat Japan 68 to 49.
Jill: And we had the men’s semi-finals matches Japan beat Germany, 79 to 68, and USA beat Spain 66 to 52. It will be Spain and Great Britain for bronze, and USA and Japan playing for gold, which is going to be exciting cause, you know, the host country getting behind this.
Alison: So I noticed that there was a player -coach for Great Britain, Gaz Choudhry and looked it up. It turns out the British head coach Haj Bhania tested positive for COVID in his pre travel test. Couldn’t travel, is talking to them on the phone, basically coaching them ahead of games. But during the games, Gaz Choudhry has taken over this role and done an amazing job. They’re going for the bronze medal.
Jill: Wow. Well, I hope they’re head coach is doing well.
Alison: So far it seems like it’s not serious because he has continued to be in contact and work and he’s not hospitalized, but yeah, that must have been a little scary for the whole team because then it’s wait, our coach just tested positive. Are we going to be able to go? Because obviously they had been in close contact.
Jill: And finally in wheelchair tennis. An epic day in wheelchair tennis.
Alison: So good! And not even because it was the Scottish commentator, which made it better. [01:00:00]
Jill: But these matches! We had the bronze medal match for the men’s doubles between Japan’s Kunieda and Sanada and Netherlands’ Egberink and Scheffers. Netherlands beat Japan 6 -3 6- 2, and then in the gold medal match! Oh my goodness! This went on and on. So it’s Houdet and Peifer– Pfeiffer from France versus Hewitt and Reid from Great Britain. France wins the first set, six, five commanding lead. Then Hewitt and Reid say, oh no, we’re not giving up just yet. And when they win the second set, six zero. And then, so it goes to a tiebreaker set And Houdet and Pfeiffer eke it out seven to six. And there were just points where they were stuck at deuce and going back and forth for advantage for like nine rounds of back and forth. It was incredible tennis.
Alison: This was a great match. And this was the first of the wheelchair tennis that I’ve watched the whole match where I just sat down beginning to end. And it was an emotional rollercoaster. And I don’t, I had no skin in this game. I didn’t know these players. And yet I was so drawn in and got so into it. And this is again, one of those matches where it was heartbreaking for anyone to lose and thrilling for anyone to win.
Alison: Just if you love tennis, it is a beautiful match to watch.
Jill: Fantastic. And Houdet and Peifer, they defend their men’s wheelchair title. So they are the first in the history of this event to do so at the Paralympics. And then Hewitt and Reid, they are no longer eligible to win a Golden Slam this year because they have been dominant on the pro tennis circuit.
Alison: And more upsetting is this [01:02:00] may be the last Paralympics for Alfie Hewitt because there is discussion. He’s been playing provisionally for the past two years because he may be classified out of wheelchair tennis eligibility.
Jill: Oh, really?
Jill: In the women’s singles tournament for the bronze medal, Great Britain’s Jordanne Whiley beat Netherlands Aniek Van Koot. Again, another epic match. 6- 4 6- 7, 6- 4. So. Pushing everything to the limit, and Van Kooot was not giving up for sure.
Jill: And then for the gold medal match, it was Netherlands Diede De Groot versus Japan, Kamji Yui. And De Groot won that match 6- 3, 7- 6.
Jill: So Kamji not going down without a fight either. So gold goes to a De Groot. Silver goes to Kamji Yui and bronze goes to Jordanne Whiley.
Jill: And then we had the quad singles bronze medal match, which Neils Vink from Netherlands won. He beat. Sugeno Koji from Japan, 6- 1, 6- 4. And the gold medal match will be on Saturday because again, everything’s super rescheduled in tennis.
Alison: Neils Vink is 18.
Alison: And he looks about 14. Yes, such this little baby Dutch face. You want to put him in a little hat and stick his finger in a well, uh, in the wall
Alison: Really. And just a good kid. So it was fun to see him win. He was very joyous and respectful. It was a good match to watch.
Jill: So, one more day, I think of wheelchair tennis?
Alison: Yes. Finishes up tomorrow.
Jill: Okay. It’s been great. That has been so much fun to watch.
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