It’s been an exciting day of sports competition from the Tokyo 2020 Paralympics. Brazil showed off its passion and footwork in football five-a-side, goalball had an amazing outcome, and Jill got to see boccia….well, sort of.
Plus, we let you know which swimming race you’re going to see 47 times in the next 24 hours.
All of this, plus:
– recaps from all of the action on Day 8 of competition!
– which officiating/volunteer job would we do?
– feed beefs
– name that commentator
– TKFLASTAN watch
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Tokyo 2020 – Paralympics – Day 8
Jill: [00:00:00] Konnichiwa, Paralympics fans and lovers of TKFLASTAN and welcome to day eight coverage of the Tokyo 2020 Paralympics on “Keep the Flame Alive”, the podcast for fans of the Olympics and Paralympics. I am your host, Jill Jaracz joined as always by my lovely co-host Alison Brown, Alison Konichiwa
Alison: I need to apologize to all the listeners because yesterday, I came on this show unprepared to talk about the equestrian team test to music. And I have spent some time, and let me just quickly share a few observations. So first of all, there are bedazzled helmets.
Jill: Oh no, I did not see that. Okay. I got to go back. I apologize to the listeners.
Alison: There were orchestral renditions of Queen and One Direction. There was someone who used Tom Jones music. I was afraid underwear was going to get thrown at the horse. And if you don’t get that reference, ask your grandmother. Lee Pearson, who won the gold medal, was on Breezer.
Alison: He has raised Breezer. It is a homegrown horse. He has known Breezer literally since the day that horse was born.
Alison: Then there was a musical pun. So Pepo Puch, who was on Sailor’s Blue used “Rhapsody in Blue” as his music. I will not fail the listeners again and delaying my watching of such things.
Jill: Yeah. I’m definitely going back and watching that. It may, it may be after the Paralympics because I can’t keep up with everything as it is, but that sounds amazing.
Jill: Okay. More followup file. The e-pallette self-driving Toyota vehicle is back online and shuttling athletes around. Toyota. They keep apologizing, but they’ve added more safety staff. They’ve increased the warning sounds so that hopefully they’re more audible. They said, this is a big learning experience. We’re learning how to do this. And it shows [00:02:00] that self-driving autonomous vehicles are still a long way from actually being put into regular operation.
Jill: Speaking of autonomous robot cars, I saw them being wheeled off of the track venue yesterday. While I was watching the long jump, the field competition must’ve ended and volunteers were, they had them on like a little wheelie carts and we’re pushing them towards the the side of the stadium.
Alison: Did they put them to bed?
Jill: I don’t know. Maybe they charge them up.
Alison: Collect them and tuck them in like babies. Is there like a little autonomous car nursery?
Jill: I don’t know. I don’t know. But of course I saw that in the background and was just like, wait a second!
Alison: Oh, I will be– that’s my volunteer job this week. I will be the nanny at the autonomous car nursery. It’s okay, little ambulance. You did very well today at javelin. So proud of you.
Jill: Okay. Moving on to feed beefs. Again, every day, I hope I don’t have a beef. But, oh, I got some beefs today.
Alison: You see, now I have taken a whole new approach.
Alison: I just watch what I can find. I have given up attempting to see things.
Jill: I hear you on that, but I think, what got to me in today’s coverage was the beginning of the NBCSN broadcast. And I understand that they’re showing a mix of the coverage from the day before and replays, because again, I got suckered into watching a few swimming races that I had seen, and halfway through. I’m like, I have seen this and then I get angry and walk away. And I get that. They’re replaying it to get a bigger audience. Okay. That’s fine. But Carolyn Manno, I don’t know. This is not on Carolyn Manno. I think it’s whoever is directing because she started to sound very irritated.
Jill: They were trying to find Oksana [00:04:00] Masters cycling, because it was the road cycling time trial today. And I got to say, time trials are very hard to watch, and I’m sure they’re very hard to film because it’s an individual going through the course and they they had men and women going at the same time. And there’s an interval in between racers. So you don’t quite know where anybody is on the track. And if you’re like NBC and just popping into coverage, you don’t even know what’s going on in the race. Because the commentators are just commentating. They’re using the OBS feed and they’re just commentating along, not knowing that NBC is ducking in and out. They’re just doing the whole race. So we don’t know what the course is like. We don’t know anything about anything. So they’re trying to find Oksana. They pop in and show a biker from the Netherlands. Then they cut over to an American cycler, but he’s male.
Jill: And then they go back to Carolyn and she’s like, okay, we’ll keep finding Oksana Masters. Let’s go over to the long jump.
Jill: Well, they go to the long jump. And the first thing they do is find, nobody’s competing. The person finished jumping is walking around the track and it’s the Afghani athlete who just finished his competition by the time NBC caught up to him.
Jill: And then, so they cut to commercial They come back and it’s the end of the 200 meter race. And by end of the 200 meter race, I mean, like probably 30 seconds later when the winner is just sitting on the track and that was– we’ll get to the results– but a Finnish racer won, and I was like, Finland! Yay! And we never saw that race.
Jill: So they cut back to cycling and it wasn’t Oksana Masters again. And they’re, they’re trying to talk to her mom, who’s at the watch party, and they’re bringing that up, and her mom can’t hear anything from the studio. It’s just like, then they’re like, well, we’ll just go back to, to the track.
Jill: And they go, they finally settled on the long jump [00:06:00] competition, but you could tell that Carolyn was really frustrated about what was going on, and that’s a directors thing,
Jill: Right, because she’s
Alison: trying to do her job on camera. And if the, you know, behind the camera people are screwing up, it looks bad on her.
Jill: It does, it does. And then it gets better, because I don’t know who’s writing the script because here’s what she had to say: “A reminder, there are a number of events happening around the game simultaneously,”
Jill: and I wanted to go, no, duh, really?
Jill: “So here a look here at Five-a-side,” and I think they showed maybe literally a look.
Jill: “And you can go to NBC olympics.com. That is the place to watch the 20 20 Tokyo Paralympics outside of our coverage here. If you’re looking for something specific, that is a place where you need to be.”
Alison: Okay, Carolyn, we’ll have a little chat afterwards. That is not the place you need to be because there’s nothing there.
Alison: Well, I mean, that, that is so unfair for the on-camera presenter to be put in that position. That’s the director. That’s the planning staff’s fault too.
Jill: Yeah, it’s definitely not her, but it really was weird for, had this big setup. Here’s two seconds, literally two seconds of football, Five-a-side, then you pop back and then you’re out of there. So weird.
Jill: Poor Carolyn,
Jill: But I will say, to not be totally harshing on the feed announcers the hosts. NBC hired Scout Bassett to be part of the athletics coverage and do commentary because she’s injured this year and couldn’t compete.
Jill: Oh, I am learning so much from her. She’s doing a fabulous job, and they really seem to know how to leverage her knowledge of how the sports work. And it sounds so natural. I just, oh, she’s doing so great.
Alison: So she’s doing a bit of a Michael Phelps in that she’s doing [00:08:00] commentary on track and then they have her in the studio just having conversations.
Jill: Yes. The first time I saw her, she looked a little awkward and a little shy.
Alison: But I liked it.
Jill: Oh, did you?
Alison: Yeah, I didn’t mind it.
Jill: It was just like, Ooh, this is an area you have to learn. You’re really good with the team and doing the analysis and the commentary, but the on-camera, I think…
Alison: I liked the on-camera interview because she said a few unfiltered things that clearly, you know, the time she does this next time around won’t come out of her mouth, but we love the unfiltered. So she was like, yeah, that wasn’t good. Scout, tell me, tell me!
Jill: Okay. Time for name that OBS commentator. We’ve heard more from Patrick from Green Bay.
Alison: Thank you, Patrick!
Jill: So he has told us that the cycling commentators are Gerald De Kock and Rochelle Gillmore, who I believe have been doing all the cycling. And I, I recognize Rochelle’s voice. I believe also from the Olympics. I think the OBS people are just there for the duration of the two games. I did turn on some wheelchair tennis last night to hear my favorite Scottish presenter. And I got a female instead. Not bad. She doesn’t talk very much. She talks very quietly. Like she is sitting right there on the sidelines and doesn’t want to disturb the action, but she’s okay. Not my Scottish guy.
Jill: All right. Time for what officiating or volunteer job would we like?
Alison: Well, I can tell you what I wouldn’t like. I would not like to have been any volunteer at the athletics competition today with their little plastic raincoats, just getting soaked, trying to protect their clipboards. It was rough at athletics today.
Jill: Yeah, it was pouring. I saw a little bit of, one of the ShotPut competitions and they had the volunteer with the umbrella over the competitor’s head. And then they brought out like the beach umbrella, the beach table umbrella, and [00:10:00] had that over the competitor’s head. And what I thought you would like is that the volunteer who brought the shot back to the athlete, dried it off, had a little towel with the basket and dried off the shot.
Alison: It’s like a waiter. I did like the volunteer who was handing out the bottles of water. Oh, that’s nice. They came through the tunnel, but they still had to wear the plastic Disney World poncho.
Jill: And I’m sure in the heat
Alison: that can’t feel good.
Jill: Okay. I also was going to be on the track today. And I’ve been eyeing the long jump for awhile, not so sure because the, the job that I was looking at was the person who judges, whether or not they’ve fouled, they’ve gone over the, the take off board. I know. And you give me this look like, oh, how that’s crazy. And well, that portion of the job has a little flag. I like the flag portion, but I am very concerned about the judgment of the foot. And hopefully it’s not so hard, but you know, there’s some that are just the decision is very, very tight.
Jill: And that part of the job was what made me hesitant. And then I found the other part of the job, which was when the jumper is done, they raise their flag on whether it was, was a good jump or not. And then they go to help measure and they put a little cone in front of the board so that nobody runs and jumps.
Alison: Okay. Like a little safety cone?
Jill: Little safety cone.
Alison: Okay. I’m concerned about the pressure of that job, but do you tend to like jobs with the, with a high degree of pressure.
Jill: I know the pressure on that job really, that’s what made me hesitant, but I will say a little safety cone. You got me.
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Jill: Okay. Looking at the action today in archery, we had the men’s individual compound open. The gold went to China’s. He Zihao. Silver went to Iran’s Ramezan Biabani, and bronze went to China’s AI Xinliang. I want to say this is the competition that US’ Matt Stutzman was in. He lost in the round of eight to Slovakia’s Marcel Pavlik 137 to 143. So it was a little bit of a gap. Over the five ends, Pavlik shot was super consistent. He shot four 29s and then one 27, and Stutzman’s scores were a little all over the board, ranging from 25 to 29 for each end. So his scores just didn’t add up.
Jill: What I’m dying to know is if, when coverage starts on September 1st, which is tomorrow, [00:14:00] will NBC start with this competition or will they start with the beginning of the archery to show one of their poster athletes, Matt Stutzman
Alison: Right because he’s been in lots of ads, he’s been all over the place. And now all of a sudden he’s just not there.
Jill: Which is very weird. I’m very curious to see what they do. A tough, tough competition for Stutzman. I would really love to see how that shook out.
Alison: Will he be in a team competition?
Jill: I hope so. And women were also supposed to have their individual w one class competition, but it looks like it’s been rescheduled for tomorrow, maybe because of the weather, cause it did pour today in Tokyo.
Jill: Over to athletics. Day started out kind of nice and then just rain, rain, rain. We’ll, start with the throws. In men’s ShotPut they had three different competitions. We’ll start with the F 20, which is the intellectual impairment class. Whoa, we got something to go watch again.
Jill: Gold went to, oh, okay. So one of the favorites, world record holder Muhammad Ziyad Zolkefli from Malaysia threw a world record record twice during this competition, and he was in the gold medal slot at the end.
Jill: And it shook out, gold was Zolkefli, silver was going to Maksym Koval from Ukraine ,who had also thrown at the world record level.
Jill: And then bronze would go to Oleksandr Yarovyi also from Ukraine. But when the competition was over, the Ukraine team launched a protest because they said three athletes in this competition were late to the call room, and the officials overturned the results, said that Zolkefli and also Australia’s Todd Hodges and Ecuador’s Jordi Patricio Congo Villalba did not start because they were late to the [00:16:00] call room. And now everyone’s shocked. So he was all excited today is to Merdeka day in Malaysia, which is their independence day.
Jill: So this was going to be a gift to the country, gold medal to celebrate along with independence. And if Zolkefli’s throw had stood, his winning throw, it would have beat the Malaysians national record for able-bodied athletes.
Jill: Right? So many layers to this taken away because of a protest saying they were late to the call room. The Malaysian delegation is protesting the protest. So we will keep an eye on what happens. I did not get a chance to see this one, but by golly, I’m going back and putting that on.
Alison: Well, first it’ll be fantastic to watch those amazing throws. It. It’ll be interesting to see how quickly in the broadcast they noted that these results are being overturned.
Jill: I’ll be curious to see if it shows up on the NBC broadcast at all, because I don’t think there were any American athletes in here. So the likelihood of it making to television is tough.
Jill: And a lot of times when I’ve put a shot shot, put feet on, there’s no commentator. So it’s just the camera and the camera man, doing all of the action. So I wonder if there’s even any kind of context that you can understand what’s going on.
Alison: Well, we’ll let you know. We’ll let you know how this shakes out. This is interesting.
Jill: And if you’ve seen it, let us know. Moving over to the F 32 class for the men. This is a seated class with a high level of impairment in the trunk and legs, and a moderate to high impairment of the arms and hands. Gold went to China’s Liu Li, who got a world record. Silver went to RPC’s Aleksei Churkin, who got an area record and bronze went to Oman. Hey, another new country name for us in this games! Oman’s Mohammed Al Mashaykhi, who got a personal best. And I would say bronze medal [00:18:00] is a pretty good way to get a personal best.
Alison: Can’t do much better than that.
Jill: In the F 36 class for the men. This is a low to moderate impairment of the full body or limbs. Gold went to Vladimir Sviridov from RPC with a world record. Silver went to Yassine Guenichi from Tunisia with an area record, and bronze went to Sebastian Dietz from Germany.
Jill: The women had one shot put competition in F 34 class, and that’s no or low impairment in the upper body, but a high impairment in the legs. Gold, went to Zou Lijuan from China with a world record. Silver went to a Lucyna Kornoby s from Poland, and bronze went to Saida Amoudi from Morocco.
Jill: The women had one javelin competition today, the F 56 class, which is increasing impairment on the legs or the absence of legs. Gold went to Hashemiyeh Motaghian Moavi from Iran with a world record. Silver went to Raissa Rocha Mchado from Brazil with an area record, and bronze, went to Diana Dadzite from Latvia. She got a Paralympic record for the F 55 classes was combined with the F 56.
Jill: In women’s discus, we had the F 11 finals. This is a visually impaired class. Gold went to Zhang Liangmin from China with a world record. Silver went to Assunta Legnante from Italy with an area record, and bronze went to Yesenia Maria Restepo Munoz from Colombia.
Jill: We had two long jump competitions, one each for the men and women. Men had the T47 class. This is a mixed class with low to moderate disability or absence of one arm. Gold went to, oh, this I saw a good chunk of this competition. So it was a lot of, it was really cool to watch. Gold [00:20:00] went to Robiel Yankiel Sol Cervantes from Cuba who got a Paralympic record, like on his first jump and it held it.
Jill: It was pretty cool to watch. And he was just so overcome at the end. He jumped pretty well, but that first jump just did it. Silver went to Roderick Townsend from the USA who got a personal best. And honestly he, and Scout Bassett would note this. His takeoff on his last couple of jumps, he just hit the front of the takeoff board and lost several centimeters in doing that.
Jill: And that was kind of the difference between gold and silver. And then RPCs Nikita Kotukov got a personal best and took the bronze. And he was thrilled when he got done because he was having a tough time, and near the end, he started jumping really well.
Jill: Afghanistan’s Hassan Rasuli competed. He finished last in the competition, but he did get a personal best. So congratulations to him.
Alison: I am surprised at all these personal bests, given the conditions. That is really impressive.
Jill: It is, you’ve got rain, you’ve got heat, you’ve got humidity. And people are doing so well.
Jill: Moving over to the women’s side. This was the T 38 class, which was a low degree of disability to the leg, lower trunk or one side, or the whole body. Gold went to Alekasandra Nedelko from RPC, silver went to Olivia Breen from Great Britain, and bronze went to a Margarita Goncharova from RPC.
Jill: In the men’s high jump, this was a mixed class of T 42 and T 63, which is moderate disability to one leg or absence of one leg above the knee. Gold went to Sam Grewe from the US silver went to Mariyappan Thangavelu from India, and bronze went to Sharad Kumar from India.
Alison: Nice job India. They are cleaning up all of a [00:22:00] sudden.
Jill: They are. It’s impressive.
Jill: Then we’re gonna move to the track. Women had three 100 meter races. The first one was a T 11 visual impairment final. This race, the runners ran with guides. Gold went to Linda Patricia Perez Lopez from Venezuelawailoa with guide Alvaro Luis Cassani Herrera. Silver, and we only have gold and silver in this race. Silver went to Liu Culqing from China with guide Xu Donglin. There was a yellow card noted and, and also noted a rule violation here, which I need to look up.
Jill: But there were two other competitors in this race, but they were disqualified. Were you able to find something about this?
Alison: I was, so first point, in the visual impairment with guides, there’s only four pairs. So even though there are originally 13 in the heats, they do it to four because there’s only room for eight people. So there’s only four. So the world champion Geber dos Santos, her tether broke with her guide right out of the blocks. So she was heartbroken. The other racer, who is also from Brazil, was awarded the bronze medal. And as far as I could see on the rest of the broadcast, there was no mention of it. So that must have been an issue that came up later.
Alison: So we’ll keep looking at this race, cause this is now, are we just going to end up with a gold medalist or do they just need to re-run this thing?
Jill: In the T 13 final, which is another visual impairment, but to a lesser degree, gold went to Adiaratou Iglesias Forneiro from Spain. Silver went to Lamiya Valiyeva from Azerbaijan and bronze went to Kim Crosby from the United States.
Jill: In the T 47 class for the women’s 100 [00:24:00] meter finals. This is actually a mixed T 45 T36, T47, low to moderate disability of an arm or absence of an arm. Gold went to Lisbeli Marina, Vera Andrade from Venezuela and a photo finish over Brittni Mason from the USA, and Deja Young from the USA, took the bronze.
Alison: It was a good race. And they were all standing around waiting for the results, waiting for the results because you could not tell who leaned. And it was really a 1, 2, 3, 4. So it was all the medals. You could not see where it was.
Jill: For the 200 meter distance, we had one race each for the men and women, men had the T 51 class, which is a wheelchair race with moderate to high upper body impairment. Gold went to a Toni Piispanen from Finland with a Paralympic record. Sorry, listener Manu, if I messed that one up. Silver went to a Peter Genyn from Belgium, and bronze went to Roger Habsch from Belgium.
Jill: For the women, it was a mixed T44/T62/T64 class with moderate disability to one leg or absence of a leg below the knee. Gold went to Marlene van Gansewinkel from Netherlands with a Paralympic record. Silver went to Irmgard Bensusan from Germany, and Kimberly Alkemade from Netherlands won the bronze.
Alison: I saw this race, and what was very cool about this race was van Gansewinkel came from way behind. I guess her starts, I’m assuming her stars tend to be slower. And all of a sudden she just shoots right through. And the 200, you know, There was that difference in the 100 and the 200. So this being a 200, she just came up, and it was really a fun race to watch.
Alison: I, you always love the come from behind kind of thing. [00:26:00] And she was thrilled. She was too excited. She didn’t know what to do with herself. She was another one of these falling on the ground, jumping up and down. And then I was worried because it’s a prosthetic on a wet track. And I got really scared for a sec because they’re not designed for jumping. It’s a running blade. So I got a little nervous.
Jill: In the 400 meter distance, we had a lot of races today. So we’ll start with the T 12 class for the women. This was a visual impairment class that had a guide runner. Gold went to Omara Durand Elias from Cuba with guide Kindelan Vargas. Silver went to Oksana Boturchuk from Ukraine with guide Mykyta Barbanov. Bronze went to Alejandra Paola Perez Lopez from Venezuela with guide Markinzon Manzanill a Velasquez.
Jill: In the T20 class. This is an intellectual impairment class. Gold went to Breanna Clark from USA. Silver went to Yulia Shuliar from Ukraine, and bronze went to Jardenia Felix Barbosa da Silva from Brazil.
Jill: For the T 37 class, which is a moderate impairment to one side, gold went to Jiang Fenfen from China with an area record. Silver went to Natalia Kobzar from Uzbekistan, who got a personal best. And bronze went to Sheryl James from South Africa, also with a personal best.
Jill: For the men. We start with the T20 intellectual impairment class. Gold went to Charles from France with an area record. Silver went to Luis Felipe Rodriguez Bolivar from Venezuela with a personal best, and bronze went to Columbia blango from Great Britain, who also had a personal best.
Jill: In the T 36 class, which is low to moderate disability in all four limbs, [00:28:00] gold went to Australia’s. James Turner with a Paralympic record. Silver went to, Evgenii Shvetsov from RPC, and bronze went to William Stedman from New Zealand.
Jill: And the T38 class, which is a low degree of disability, two legs, one side of the body or the full body. Gold went to Jose Rodolfo Chessani Garcia from Mexico with an area record. Silver went to Mohamed Farhat from Tunisia, and bronze went to Zachary Gingras from Canada, who got a personal best.
Jill: And then the final distance was the 1500 meter. We had four races in this distance. Men, their T 11, which is total visual impairment.
Jill: What do we have?
Alison: Okay, so gold went to Yeltsin Jacques from Brazil with guide Carlos Antonio dos Santos. Silver is to Wada Shinya from Japan, and his guide Hasebe Takumi, and bronze is Fedor Rudakov from RPC who did not have a guide.
Jill: Oh, Jacques got a world record and Wada got an area record, and Rudakoc ended up with a personal best.
Jill: In the T13 class, which is a also visual impairment but to a lesser degree, gold went to Anton Kuliatin from RPC. Silver went to Rouay Jebabli from Tunisia with a personal best. And bronze went to Jaryd Clifford from Australia.
Jill: For the men’s T 54 class. This is a wheelchair class with no upper body impairment. For the men, gold went to Switzerland’s Marcel Hug with a world record. Silver went to Prawat Wahoram from Thailand, who got an area record, and bronze went to Putharet Khongrak from Thailand who got a personal best.
Jill: The women also in this class did their race. Gold went to Zhou Zhaoqian from China with a personal best. Silver went to Manuela Schaer from Switzerland, [00:30:00] and bronze went to Madison de Rozario from Australia. Did you see this race?
Alison: I did see this race. So right at the beginning, American Susannah Scaroni had a wheelchair malfunction. It’s like her wheelchair just didn’t go.
Jill: Oh no.
Alison: So she basically started the race 200 meters behind.
Jill: Oh, that’s horrible. Did they ever say what it could be or that’s also like a follow-up file thing.
Jill: That’s a
Alison: followup file. They just said it was a problem with the wheelchair. They didn’t give too many details on it.
Jill: Wow. You never know what’s going to happen. Moving over to Boccia.
Jill: So we got through group play and today was big in the quarter-finals and semi-finals action. I saw the boccia. It was actually on the feeds.
Jill: I know. So I put it on while I was cleaning the kitchen, and I saw the last half of a match, I would say. And I’m just starting to figure it out. I know that the referee has some paddles.
Jill: There are paddles involved and calipers. Okay. So this is already peaking my interest for an officiating job. And then the match ended. And I still, there were questions I still had on how things worked, but then it was time to disinfect the court. I guess the session was over and I just watched, and I’m like five minutes later, there’s still no action.
Jill: And then I said, oh, it must be over. And I had to switch to wheelchair tennis.
Jill: But I’ll make a point to watch. Cause there’s a lot, I have questions and I know just watching some and listening to some commentary will help me figure that out. If you’ve seen boccia, because now we can see it in the US, let us know what you think.
Jill: In the BC one class. This is a moderate affectation of movement in the arms and shoulders, but highly affected in the trunk and legs. So athletes have [00:32:00] to overcome poor trunk control and sitting balance to make their throws. In the semi-finals, David Smith from Great Britain, beat Jose Carlos Chagas de Oliveira from Brazil, seven to four. So David Smith will go on to face a Wei Lun Chew from Malaysia in the gold medal match. Wei Lun defeated Andre Ramos from Portugal nine to five. So that means Ramos and de Oliveira will face off for bronze.
Jill: Then we moved to the BC two individual class. This is low to moderate affectation everywhere, or highly effected movement in the legs with low trunk and limbs, moderate trunk control and issues with sitting balance.
Jill: So the first semi-final was a match between two athletes from Thailand, Saengampa Warwut lost to Vongsa Watcharaph on, three to four. So, in the gold medal match, Vongsa will face Japan’s Sugimura Hidetaka, who defeated Maciel Santos from Brazil three to two, and the other two will compete for bronze.
Jill: Then we move to the semi-finals in the BC three class. So this is a moderate degree of affectation in the trunk, but a high degree of affectation in the limbs. So this is the class where athletes will use a ramp to deliver the ball and they do so via a mouth pointer or a head pointer or a finger release.
Jill: So in the semi-finals Gregorios Polychronidis from Greece, defeated Scott McCowen from Great Britain to advance to the gold medal match. The score was tied for four at the end of regulation. So what they have to do is a tiebreaker throw, and Polychronidis won that throw. So he moves on to the gold medal match. He will face Adam Peska from Czech Republic for the gold. Peska defeated Daniel Michel from Australia, four to three. So that means Michel and McCowen face off for the bronze.[00:34:00]
Jill: In the BC four class, this is a moderate degree of impairment over the entire body or high degree of impairment in the legs with moderate trunk impairment and low limb impairment, or it’s kind of a hodgepodge. You have high legs and trunk and low limbs and shoulders, or you have high legs and trunk and hands and low limb impairment, or you have the absence of limbs.
Jill: So athletes in this class usually have to overcome a lot of fatigue in order to compete at their best. In this semi-final, Samuel Andrejcik from Slovakia defeated Zheng Yuansen from China, five to two to go to the gold medal match. He will face Porchok Larpyen from Thailand who beat Leung Yuk Wing from Hong Kong, six to three. Leung and Zheng will compete for the bronze.
Jill: So now we know, boccia is on.
Alison: So when I was a kid, we used to play a form of this because I hung around with old Italian-American men. So I’m curious to see how that lines up with sort of the lawn game version of boccia Yeah. So I will tune in.
Jill: Moving over to a cycling. We are on the road now for the cycling competition and it was a big day of time trials. And as we’ve mentioned before, tough to watch because it is time trials, but we had men’s C1, C2, and C3 races. For the C one, which is highly affected legs or absence of two limbs. Mikhail Astashov from RPC won gold, Aaron Keith from USA, won silver, and Michael teuber from Germany won bronze.
Jill: In the C2 class, which is moderate impairment on one side, both legs or an absence of legs. Darren Hicks from Australia won gold, Ewoud Vromant from Belgium won silver, and Alexandre Leaute from France won bronze. [00:36:00]
Jill: In the C3 class, which is a low degree of impairment of the whole body, absence of two limbs, or moderate impairment in the hip area. Gold went to Benjamin Watson from Great Britain. Silver went to Steffen Warias from Germany and bronze went to a Matthias Schindler from Germany.
Jill: Then for the women, the C 1, 2, 3 classes were combined. Gold went to Sugiura Keiko from Japan. Silver went to Anna Beck from Sweden, and bronze went to Paige Greco from Australia.
Jill: In the C4 class, which is low impairment on one side or both legs, gold went to Shawn Morelli from the USA. Silver went to Emily petricola from Australia, and bronze went to Meg Lemon from Australia.
Jill: For the men’s C4 class. Patrik Kuril from Slovakia won gold, Jozef Metelka from Slovakia won silver, and George Peasgood from Great Britain won the bronze.
Jill: Then we get to the C5 class, which is absence of one arm or a moderate degree of disability in one leg for the women Dame Sarah Storey won gold and she’s from Great Britain. Silver went to Crystal Lane-Wright from Great Britain, and bronze went to Kersten Brachtendorf from Germany.
Alison: So first I want to mention you are hearing a lot of the same names in road and velodrome. I can’t remember if that was true in the Olympics as well.
Jill: I don’t think so ,because those are two very, very different disciplines.
Alison: Right. But we’re hearing a lot of the same names. And one of the names that we hear a lot is Sarah Storey. So I knew she had been around a long time. Didn’t quite realize it was, she’s been in the Paralympics since 1992. So first she [00:38:00] swam from 92 to 2004, switched to cycling in 2008. So it’s her eighth Paralympics. She’s got 27 medals.
Jill: And that is how you become a Dame.
Jill: For the men’s C5 class, gold went to Daniel Abraham Gebru from Netherlands. Silver went to Yehor Dementyev from Ukraine, and bronze went to Alistair Donohue from Australia.
Jill: Then we move over to the H classes.
Alison: That’s going to be with the hand bicycles.
Jill: Oh, okay. Okay. So the C classes, they are upright on upright bikes, then we have hand cycles. Is the difference between the T and the H hand cycle versus like a Tatyana McFadden road cycle?
Jill: Cause the hand cycles were like you’re laying on your back versus a sitting upright.
Alison: Probably. Yes.
Jill: Okay. We will double check that to make sure, but I think that’s what, cause H sounds like it would be a hand thing because there were a lot of hand cyclists there.
Jill: In the men’s H one, which is highly affected in the legs, trunk and hands, and some disability to at least one arm, gold went to Nicolas Peter Du Preez from South Africa. Silver went to Fabrizio Coornegliani from Italy, and bronze went to Maxime Hordies from Belgium.
Jill: For the H two class, which is a high affectation in the trunk, legs and hands, gold went to Sergio Garrote Munoz from Spain. Silver went to Luca Mazzoni from Italy, and Florian Jouanny from France won bronze,
Alison: Another 50 year old Italian with a medal and also multi-sport multi Paralympics.
Alison: So he was a swimmer in 2000, 2004 and 2008, and then retired and started cycling. And now is back competing in cycling.
Jill: [00:40:00] Whoa!
Alison: 50 year old men in Italy apparently do very well with the Paralympics.
Jill: I’m always so impressed how Paralympians will be, like, I think I’m going to switch sports. Like we talked with John Register and he became a Paralympian first in swimming because he did swimming for rehab and was fast enough. But then he went back to his first sport of track and field to become a Paralympian in the second sport. But it’s almost like, oh, if I can’t compete my race, or I’m done with swimming, let me try something else. And, oh, I’m still amazing.
Alison: Well, I wonder if there’s two factors in this one. When it’s something like happened to John Register where he lost a limb as an adult, your body is still adjusting. So a certain sport that works very well when you are first injured, either doesn’t work well or something else that you like more can work well. So because your body is changing so much as you’re adjusting to the disability and too, because the classes keep changing and the competition keeps changing.
Alison: If all of a sudden they’re not doing your race anymore, do you say, oh, well that was really my specialty in track. Oh, but I, let me try this other thing, because that’s closer to the skill, even though it’s a different sport.
Jill: That’s a good point.
Jill: In the H three class for the men, this is a high degree of impairment in the legs and hips. Gold went to Walter Ablinger from Austria, Silver went to Vico Merklein from Germany, and bronze went to Luis Miguel Garcia Marquina from Spain.
Jill: The women, the H one through three classes were combined. Gold, went to Annika Zeyen from Germany. Silver went to Francesca Porcellato from Italy, and bronze went to Renata [00:42:00] Kaluza from Poland.
Jill: In the men’s H4 class, which is a high degree of impairment in the legs, or a moderate degree of impairment in the legs and trunk, gold went to Jetze Plat from Netherlands, who I saw a cycle, because that’s what they cut to when they were looking for Oksana Masters. Silver went to Thomas Fruewirth from Austria, and bronze went to Alexander Gritsch, also from Austria.
Jill: For the men’s H five class. This is a low degree of impairment in both legs, one side or the full body. Gold went to Mitch Valiza from Netherlands. Silver went to Loic Vergnaud from France and Gary O’Reilly from Ireland, took the bronze.
Jill: The women’s side, the H four and five classes were combined. Gold went to Oksana Masters from the US, silver went to Sun Bianbian from China, and bronze went to Jeanette Jansen from Netherlands.
Alison: So now Oksana Masters has Paralympic medals in four sports: rowing, cross-country skiing, biathlon, and cycling, and she’ll be back for Beijing
Jill: That’s just, she is amazing. And we said at PyeongChang, how she was like bionic woman, because she basically had her elbow taped up and muscled through to win a medal there.
Alison: And now this will be really interesting because she talked about this at media day, how now she does not have the year and a half turnaround to switch sports because of the Tokyo delay. She’s only got a few months to switch from her cycling training to her cross-country/ biathlon training. And I would think for biathlon and cross-country, she would need to be leaner in a way. I mean, not thinner, but just, she’s very bulked up on top right now for cycling.
Alison: So I’m wondering if she [00:44:00] needs to be, like her body type actually needs to slightly change for the different sports.
Jill: That’s a good question. Yeah. Maybe we can find out, because you still need a ton of upper body strength for the classes she competes in, in cross country skiing and biathlon because that’s all upper body propelling you along.
Alison: So maybe they just look leaner because of the suits.
Jill: It could be, very well, could be. Snow is very slimming.
Jill: Moving over to the T class. This men and women had T one and two classes combined for their races. This is a moderate disability to the full body, one side or legs and trunk. Gold went to Chen Jianxin from China. Silver went to Giorgio Farroni from Italy. Bronze went to Tim Celen from Belgium. For the women, gold went to Jana Majunke from Germany. Silver went to Carol Cooke from Australia. And bronze went to Angelika Dreock Kaeser from Germany.
Jill: Then we move over to the visually impaired class, where you do ride the tandem bicycles. For the men, gold, went to Alexandre Lloveras with pilot Coretin Ermenault from France. Silver went to Vincent Schure with pilot to Timo Fransen from Netherlands, and bronze went to Christian Balboa with pilot Noel Martin Infante from Spain.
Jill: For the women. Katie-George Dunlevy from Ireland is back with pilot Eve McCrystal. They took the gold. Silver went to Lora Fachi with pilot Corinne Hall from Great Britain, and bronze went to Louise Jannering and pilot Anna Svaerdstroem from Sweden.
Alison: And Lora Fachi is another road cycling slash track cycling medalist There are a bunch!
Jill: Moving over to a football five-a-side. The preliminaries are over. We’re done with group [00:46:00] play. And because there are only a handful of teams, we go straight to the semi-finals. In today’s last bit of group play, china defeated Japan, two to zero. Brazil beat France, four to zero. And I saw a bit of this game.
Alison: Were the Brazilians still fun as ever?
Jill: Oh yes. And just the more you watch, the more you pick up how incredible their ball handling skills are. Just amazing to watch work the ball.
Jill: Argentina defeated Thailand three to zero, and Spain and Morocco ended up in a one-and-one tie. So going straight to the brackets for seventh and eighth place will be France and Thailand. Japan and Spain will play for fifth and sixth. Then in the semi-finals it will be China versus Argentina and Brazil versus Morocco.
Jill: In goalball we had the men’s quarter finals matches today. China beat Japan, 7-4. Lithuania beat Belgium 7-4. Brazil beat Turkey nine to four. And oh, did you see this match from the USA and Ukraine?
Alison: I did. I had it on and the first half was like, oh, the US was falling behind, falling behind, falling behind. And then all of a sudden, I don’t know what turned them around, but they came roaring back, and Ukraine almost seemed casual. Like they didn’t really believe the US was going to come back.
Jill: Right. Because the US has been losing by the mercy rule over and over again in group play. So they think they have it in the bag
Alison: and just tied it up at the end of regulation. We get set up for overtime, which –
Jill: -which the announcer, our favorite commentator, was so excited about. She’s like on the edge of her seat. We’re going into extra time, and we’re looking for the golden goal. The first throw wins. And she just kept going about the golden goal, the golden goal. And while they’re, you’ve got a little bit of time in between the end of [00:48:00] regulation and before extra time starts.
Alison: I’m settling in thinking this extra time is going to be at least more than four seconds. First throw from the US goes in. And, the US was shocked. They couldn’t, they kept looking at the officials, like they were expecting it to be a no goal and they weren’t celebrating. And the announcer, like you were saying, Lisa, was just going on. She didn’t even know what to say because she was, she had been settling in. What a finish, what an amazing, amazing finish to that game.
Jill: It was. And the, the women’s team was up in this stands and they were crying because they were so happy. It was, it was amazing to watch!
Alison: The women’s team was very badly behaved though, because in the sense of they were cheering and you kept hearing saying, quiet, please. And then he’d wait a second and he’d be, quiet please. They were absolutely getting scolded. It was great.
Jill: In the semis. It will be China versus USA and then Lithuania versus Brazil.
Jill: Moving over to shooting. We had the P two women’s 10 meter air pistol, S H one competition today. This is the athlete has one good shooting hand and can sit or stand. Gold went to Sareh Javanmardi from Iran who got a world record and Paralympic record. Silver went to Aysegul Pehlivanlar from Turkey, and bronze went to Krisztina David from Hungary.
Jill: For the men, they had the P one 10 meter air pistol sh one competition. Gold went to Huang Xing from China with the Paralympic record. Silver went to Huang Xing from China, and bronze went to Singhraj from India.
Alison: Now, yesterday, we had said that McKenna Geer was competing today because they had listed it as qualifications. It was actually an [00:50:00] onsite training. So she will be doing her event tomorrow.
Jill: One of the segments that they have on the broadcast is what’s going on on social media, and they have their social media correspondent check in with Carolyn Manno, and it just makes my eyes roll.
Jill: And I think Carolyn’s eyes roll a little bit every once in a while, too. So they did post McKenna on the segment and they showed her one of her Instagram posts where she was so excited to be there and thanking all of her supporters, which includes you, TKFLASTANIS. So I hope we actually get to see that.
Jill: Moving over to sitting volleyball. Now we heard from a listener about something you were very inquisitive about.
Alison: Right, so listener Brittany sent us this fantastic email because she went and read the rules because she too was confused as we were, and regarding how they make up the team on the floor, because there seemed to be a big mix of disabilities.
Alison: And she said they can have a maximum of two players classified as minimally disabled on a team. And only one can be on the court at any given time. Other than that, there’s no restrictions or point system.
Jill: That’s interesting. I wonder how they classify the minimum disabled. I know Brittany, you’re going to be a big rules lawyer at the end of this.
Alison: So, I guess when I saw those people who were very able to move their legs, that would be in your minimally disabled, whereas an amputee or a paraplegic paraplegic would be not in that category.
Alison: And then this was your big pet peeve about what people were getting dinged for with rules. So the biggest infraction is lift, where your booty comes off the floor.
Alison: And then more contact with the court at all times. Players must be in contact with the court with some part of their body between the buttocks and the shoulders. Short [00:52:00] breaks in that is okay, but other than that, they gotta be in contact, and obviously they can’t stand up, raise the body or take steps. It’s like, well, it is sitting volleyball.
Jill: That makes sense. Thank you, Brittany. That is super helpful.
Jill: The men played today. So because I don’t think the US is in the competition, we don’t get to see it. RPC defeated Egypt three to zero. Germany defeated Brazil, three to one. Iran defeated China, three to zero, and Bosnia Herzegovina defeated Japan, three to zero.
Jill: Over to swimming again, a bunch of races, which I will probably see on tomorrow’s daily coverage.
Alison: Well, there’s one race that you’re going to see like seven times.
Jill: Okay. I might be able to guess that race.
Jill: With men’s 50 freestyle for the S seven class gold went to Andrii Trusov from Ukraine. Silver went to Carlos Daniel Serrano Zarate from Colombia. And Yevhenii Bohodaiko from Ukraine took the bronze.
Jill: Moving up to the 100 meter freestyle, we had one race for men and three races for women. The first class we have is the S 12, which is the visual impairment class. For the men, gold went to Raman Salei from Azerbaijan. Silver went to Maksym Veraksa from Ukraine, and bronze went to Stephen Clegg from Great Britain. For the women in this class, gold went to Maria Carolina Gomes Santiago from Brazil. Silver went to Daria Pikalova from RPC, and Hannah Russell from Great Britain won the bronze.
Jill: In the women’s S nine category, which has a high impairment or absence of one leg or a moderate disability to all four limbs, gold went to Sophie Pascoe from New Zealand.
Alison: Yeah, silver ferns!
Jill: Silver went to Sari [00:54:00] Gascon from Spain, and bronze went to Mariana Ribeiro from Brazil.
Jill: For the S seven class, which we’ve talked about before. It’s a hodgepodge of limb impairment, short of stature, and other types of disability. Gold went to Giulia Terzi from Italy. Silver went to McKenzie Coan from USA, and bronze was a tie between Yelezaveta Mereshko from Ukraine and Jiang Yuyan from China
Alison: In swimming and in track, if it goes to a thousandth of a second, then they call it a tie. So if you’re a hundredth of a second, the same, it’s a tie. So that’s how close this was. This truly was a tie.
Jill: Amazing. I always liked ties for some reason. I just think it’s kind of cool when two people can win an individual event together.
Jill: Moving up to the 400 meter freestyle distance. We had the S eight class for both men and women today. This is low to full body impairment, moderate to the legs, or a high impairment to one arm. For the men, gold went to Andrei Nikolaev from RPC. Silver went to Alberto, Amodeo from Italy, and bronze went to Matthew Torres from USA.
Jill: In the women’s side. Oh, I bet this is the race we’re going to see over and over again.
Alison: You forget these results? Don’t worry. NBC will show it to you 47 more times.
Jill: Okay. So, gold went to Morgan Stickney from the USA. She is the first American to beat Jessica Long from the USA in this race. And then bronze went to Xenia Francesca Palazzo from Italy. I did have this on, and I felt awkward because they had the watching party in the bottom corner. And the watch party was focused on Jessica Long’s family, and Morgan Stickney’s family is in the back and you can see just the [00:56:00] level of excitement go down in Long’s family and Morgan’s family just starting to get very excited. I just felt that it was awkward moment,
Alison: Right, because 400 is not a splash and dash. You’ve got some time for the, the lead to switch a bit. So it builds.
Jill: Right, and Jessica Long went out fast and she had a good lead for the whole the race until you got to the last lap, and that’s when Morgan crept up and just beat her out. If you have thoughts on that, as you see it for the fourth or fifth time, let us know.
Jill: Moving over to the 200 individual medley S M 14 class. This is a intellectual disability class. For the men’s side, gold went to Reece Dunn from Great Britain. Gabriel Bandeira from Brazil took silver, and Vasyl Krainyk from Ukraine took bronze. For the women, gold went to Valeriia Shebalina from RPC. Silver went to Bethany Firth from Great Britain, and bronze went to Louise Fiddes from Great Britain.
Jill: Moving over to breaststroke. We had the 50 meter distance today, the SB two class for the men, which is a high degree of impairment to the legs, trunk and hands. The women went with the SB three class, which includes that, but also includes additional moderate impairment, two arms or hands.
Jill: For the men, gold went to Arnulfo Castorena from Mexico. Silver went to Grant Patterson from Australia and bronze went to Jesus Hernandez Hernandez from Mexico.
Jill: For the women, gold went to Maria Fernandez Infante from Estonia. Silver went to Natalia Butkova from RPC, and bronze went to Nelly Miranda Herrera from Mexico.
Jill: In the butterfly stroke, we had the a hundred meter distance for the S 10 class [00:58:00] for both men and women. This is low-level disability to one leg, moderate to the hips or feet or severe to one hand or foot. For the men, gold went to Maksym Prypak from Ukraine. Silver went to Stefano Raimondi from Italy, and bronze went to Col Pearse from Australia.
Jill: For the women, gold went to Mikaela Jenkins from USA. Silver went to Jasmine Greenwood from Australia, and bronze went to Chantalle Zijderveld from Netherlands.
Jill: And we rounded out the competition with the mixed four by 100 freestyle relay. This is the 49 points class, so all of the classifications can total no more than 49 points. Gold went to RPC, silver went to Brazil, and bronze went to UK. I have not gotten to this point in the broadcast coverage, cause I’m sure it’s in there. And I do want to see this because I see the US did not do well if we had a, if we had a a team in this. So it would be again, it’s interesting to see how the strategy works.
Jill: In table tennis. We had the men’s and women’s team round one, and then we also had men’s and women’s team quarter-finals. So we will start having more information for you tomorrow because there’s a boatload of classes in this we’ve talked about before table tennis has about a hundred tables going on at once. So there’s a lot of, a lot of different classifications, a lot of action going on in the table tennis venue.
Jill: In wheelchair basketball, we had the women’s quarterfinal matches and the ninth and 10th place playoff classification match. 10th place went to Algeria, who lost to Australia, 71 to 32. And then in the quarterfinals Germany beat Spain, 57 to 33, China beat Great Britain, 47 to 33, Netherlands beat Japan, 82 to 24.
Jill: Wow. That’s a whole, Netherlands is really the team to watch final quarterfinal, USA [01:00:00] beat Canada 63 to 48, which I did see a good chunk of this game. And it was pretty USA dominant.
Alison: I did as well. And I agree. It was the US women are coming together. Cause we’ve mentioned before, they’re a very young team. So as they’re going along, they’re jelling, they’re getting this together. They’re figuring out how to work with one another on this big stage.
Jill: And I think the larger score differential is due to the fact that Canada was a lot closer and they kept trying to get three point shots near the end of the game in the fourth quarter. And they just weren’t going.
Alison: Yeah, I was surprised. I didn’t remember the final score was so spread, so it was definitely closer throughout the game.
Jill: The semi-final match-ups will be Germany versus Netherlands and China versus USA. Both of those are going to be good, good matches.
Jill: In wheelchair tennis, we had women’s singles quarter finals. Japan’s Kamiji Yui beat China’s Zhu Chenzchen 7-5, 6-1. Diede de Groote from Netherlands beat Ohtani Momoko from Japan. 6- 3, 6- 2. Great Britain’s Jordanne Whiley beat Dana Matthewson from the USA. 6- 3, 3-6. 7- 5, and Netherlands’ Aniek van Koot beat China’s Wang Ziying, 7- 6, 2- 6, 6- 2.
Jill: I did have on a chunk of the Matthewson/ Whiley.
Alison: That was a tight match.
Jill: It was because Whiley was up one set to nothing and was pretty up in the second set and Matthewson just clawed back one that set and was not going to let Whiley roll over her in the third set.
Alison: In her wheelchair?
Jill: Exactly. I know I said that very deliberately. But even with match point on the line, Matthewson would not given up. [01:02:00] Yes, it was very, very good gameplay on both, both sides
Alison: At the tennis venue, they have this air conditioning blower. So center court, they can close and regulate the temperature. Court, one, they can’t. So each player at their rest area, it looks like a vacuum tube that they can blow on themselves and it’s blowing cold air on them.
Jill: Wow. I wonder how effective that is. I mean, it must help to some degree.
Alison: Well, at the very least it dries the sweat. So you’d be a little more comfortable and could probably cool off a little more quickly.
Jill: In men’s double semi-finals action. Great Britain’s Hewitt and Reed beat Japan’s Kunieda and Sanada, 6-2, 6-1, and France’s Houdet and Peifer beat Netherlands Egberink and Scheffers , 6-2, 6-4.
Jill: In the quad singles semi-finals, Netherlands, Sam Schroeder beat Japan, Sugeno Koji, 6-2, 6-3, and Dylan Alcott from Australia beat Niels Vink from Netherlands 6- 4, 3- 6, 6- 4.
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Jill: What’s coming up for TKFLASTAN?
Jill: So McKenna
Alison: geer is actually competing in R5 mixed, 10 meter air rifle prone, [01:04:00] S H two today. I apologize for that confusion from yesterday. And Melissa Tapper and team Australia will be playing in the quarter finals of the team table, tennis classes, nine and 10 against Hungary on Wednesday.
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